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		<title>By: MIke</title>
		<link>http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2009/10/the-lamp-post-put-me-in-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-256</link>
		<dc:creator>MIke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really interesting stuff here.</description>
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		<title>By: The Fast Break 10/18: Breakdown of Last Night&#8217;s Game &#124; Always Miller Time &#124; An Indiana Pacers Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fast Break 10/18: Breakdown of Last Night&#8217;s Game &#124; Always Miller Time &#124; An Indiana Pacers Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joe Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2009/10/the-lamp-post-put-me-in-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written piece, but the stat is meaningless IMO.  Even with a league wide sample, the players on each team are so different...their stamina, talent, the way they play with their teammates...are factors that simply muddy the water.   Nothing can be concluded from this data.  Sometimes certain stats shouldn&#039;t even be figured.   This is a good example of where stats will lie and confuse.   Again, nicely done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written piece, but the stat is meaningless IMO.  Even with a league wide sample, the players on each team are so different&#8230;their stamina, talent, the way they play with their teammates&#8230;are factors that simply muddy the water.   Nothing can be concluded from this data.  Sometimes certain stats shouldn&#8217;t even be figured.   This is a good example of where stats will lie and confuse.   Again, nicely done.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Koca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Koca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am interested in the strategy of  play time allocation. Games with garbage time are more likely to lead to the depths of the bench being used. If someone only played in a game after it was decided  then the play time was not really a strategy issue. Also some players might get just a few seconds as a defensive sub to close out a quarter but they count as the nth person to play the same as someone who had a reall rotation. I think it would be interesting if a similar analysis were done but only looking  at games that had a victory margin of less than 10 and only including players who played at least a full minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am interested in the strategy of  play time allocation. Games with garbage time are more likely to lead to the depths of the bench being used. If someone only played in a game after it was decided  then the play time was not really a strategy issue. Also some players might get just a few seconds as a defensive sub to close out a quarter but they count as the nth person to play the same as someone who had a reall rotation. I think it would be interesting if a similar analysis were done but only looking  at games that had a victory margin of less than 10 and only including players who played at least a full minute.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fast Break 10/15 &#124; Always Miller Time &#124; An Indiana Pacers Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fast Break 10/15 &#124; Always Miller Time &#124; An Indiana Pacers Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Josh Dhani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Dhani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic read Tim. Outstanding work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic read Tim. Outstanding work!</p>
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		<title>By: cordobes</title>
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		<dc:creator>cordobes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent read. 

I wonder what&#039;s the impact of injuries. The fact that such an overwhelming part of the NBA teams allocate minutes similarly (and through the years) suggests the overall importance is negligible, but maybe the reason why Popovich is a single outlier is due to injuries (although the Spurs weren&#039;t injury-free themselves...). I confess I&#039;m a bit surprised by the fact that there aren&#039;t more outliers, btw. In the games Dunleavy played, is it noticeable any variation in the Pacers rotation? What about Portland with Oden, the Magic with Nelson or the Lakers with Bynum? In the hypothesis that every team had perfect health during the season, would these numbers change? Most probably not, seeing how most teams follow a similar pattern no matter their quality, which indicates that the reason coaches don&#039;t use longer rotations is not only about the relative quality of their players but due to tactical reasons, hopping to get better cohesiveness and team play with shorter rotations. Meaning that if you&#039;re a NBA player looking for minutes, more important than being good is being better than your teammates. 

Another thing, related to the pace: do teams that play at a faster pace do worse than their counterparts in close games? Intuitively, it makes some sense, not because of being tired but because they may be less equipped in terms of strategy and personnel to deal with the half-court game that is more common during the crunch time of close games. Maybe the importance of pace is overrated here as well.

&quot;Also, it’s important to note that the 2009 Pacers, while third in the league, were not a historically fast team.  Basketball-Reference.com lists the Pace Factors for NBA teams going back to 1974.  In that sample, there have been 923 teams, and 415 (45%) of them were faster than Jim O’Brien’s 2009 Pacers.  The problem is that only 10 of them have been since 2000.&quot;

This is eye-opening, even considering that you can&#039;t run much if your opponents don&#039;t want you to. A propos, is that 10% gap typical of the league, assuming you have those numbers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent read. </p>
<p>I wonder what&#8217;s the impact of injuries. The fact that such an overwhelming part of the NBA teams allocate minutes similarly (and through the years) suggests the overall importance is negligible, but maybe the reason why Popovich is a single outlier is due to injuries (although the Spurs weren&#8217;t injury-free themselves&#8230;). I confess I&#8217;m a bit surprised by the fact that there aren&#8217;t more outliers, btw. In the games Dunleavy played, is it noticeable any variation in the Pacers rotation? What about Portland with Oden, the Magic with Nelson or the Lakers with Bynum? In the hypothesis that every team had perfect health during the season, would these numbers change? Most probably not, seeing how most teams follow a similar pattern no matter their quality, which indicates that the reason coaches don&#8217;t use longer rotations is not only about the relative quality of their players but due to tactical reasons, hopping to get better cohesiveness and team play with shorter rotations. Meaning that if you&#8217;re a NBA player looking for minutes, more important than being good is being better than your teammates. </p>
<p>Another thing, related to the pace: do teams that play at a faster pace do worse than their counterparts in close games? Intuitively, it makes some sense, not because of being tired but because they may be less equipped in terms of strategy and personnel to deal with the half-court game that is more common during the crunch time of close games. Maybe the importance of pace is overrated here as well.</p>
<p>&#8220;Also, it’s important to note that the 2009 Pacers, while third in the league, were not a historically fast team.  Basketball-Reference.com lists the Pace Factors for NBA teams going back to 1974.  In that sample, there have been 923 teams, and 415 (45%) of them were faster than Jim O’Brien’s 2009 Pacers.  The problem is that only 10 of them have been since 2000.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is eye-opening, even considering that you can&#8217;t run much if your opponents don&#8217;t want you to. A propos, is that 10% gap typical of the league, assuming you have those numbers?</p>
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		<title>By: Brianne Hurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brianne Hurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work again Tim!  Very informative!</description>
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