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	<title>Comments on: Breaking Down Andrew Bogut&#8217;s Tip-In</title>
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		<title>By: Tim Donahue</title>
		<link>http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2010/12/breaking-down-andrew-boguts-tip-in/comment-page-1/#comment-4799</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Donahue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mel - Maybe, maybe not.  All I was thinking as they came out of the time out was, &quot;Don&#039;t foul.&quot;  To conclude that McRoberts makes a difference in that instance, you have to assume that he basically gets to the same position Jeff did, doesn&#039;t foul, doesn&#039;t get hung up on the screen, and is able to pick up the flight of the ball and make the leap.  

I can see both sides of the issue, and it basically came down to Obie trusting Foster more than McBob.  It&#039;s understandable.  I think the fault here lies not in the personnel, but possibly in ignoring the Frederick the Great edict of &quot;to defend everything is to defend nothing.&quot;  Obie may have thought that a catch-and-shoot had more chance of succeeding, because you see that Collison is completely engrossed in Brandon Jennings.

Also, it&#039;s a little thing that people get away with all the time, so I wouldn&#039;t expect the call, but Bogut does a nice job of pushing Foster back into the pick as he makes the break.  That&#039;s where he got his advantage.

Mostly this was just one team making a really good play.

Nadir - Re: Posey

The &quot;boxing out&quot; statement is a little bit off.  On that play, Posey and &#039;Sova were both under the basket on the baseline - almost out of bounds - when Bogut gets the ball on the wing against Hibbert.  Bogut give a shake, then puts the ball on the floor, heading towards the baseline.  Posey leaves &#039;Sova to cut off the penetration.

Now, Bogut pulls up after one dribble, so I don&#039;t know whether the double was necessary, but from that point it happened pretty quickly.  &#039;Sova jumped up from the baseline to the block as Danny tried to come down.  &#039;Sova had an advantage simply because of where he was when the shot went up, blocked out Danny, and grabbed the rebound as it came off.

It would be more clear cut, had &#039;Sova just out-muscled, out-quicked, or out-jumped Posey for the board, but that wasn&#039;t the case.  If McRoberts is in, he might not double and get the board.  He might not double, and Bogut might come down the baseline and get a bucket or a foul.  He might double, and the same thing happens.  He might double, and be able to recover and get the board.  

Maybe Posey shouldn&#039;t have doubled.  Maybe Danny should have been more aware and rotated sooner to pick up &#039;Sova.  Maybe McRoberts would have made it better, maybe not.

The decisions in that situation or on the final play stand in line behind the slow start and some bad execution (Brandon Rush&#039;s turnover on the preceding play, Hibbert&#039;s Bare Ball.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mel &#8211; Maybe, maybe not.  All I was thinking as they came out of the time out was, &#8220;Don&#8217;t foul.&#8221;  To conclude that McRoberts makes a difference in that instance, you have to assume that he basically gets to the same position Jeff did, doesn&#8217;t foul, doesn&#8217;t get hung up on the screen, and is able to pick up the flight of the ball and make the leap.  </p>
<p>I can see both sides of the issue, and it basically came down to Obie trusting Foster more than McBob.  It&#8217;s understandable.  I think the fault here lies not in the personnel, but possibly in ignoring the Frederick the Great edict of &#8220;to defend everything is to defend nothing.&#8221;  Obie may have thought that a catch-and-shoot had more chance of succeeding, because you see that Collison is completely engrossed in Brandon Jennings.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s a little thing that people get away with all the time, so I wouldn&#8217;t expect the call, but Bogut does a nice job of pushing Foster back into the pick as he makes the break.  That&#8217;s where he got his advantage.</p>
<p>Mostly this was just one team making a really good play.</p>
<p>Nadir &#8211; Re: Posey</p>
<p>The &#8220;boxing out&#8221; statement is a little bit off.  On that play, Posey and &#8216;Sova were both under the basket on the baseline &#8211; almost out of bounds &#8211; when Bogut gets the ball on the wing against Hibbert.  Bogut give a shake, then puts the ball on the floor, heading towards the baseline.  Posey leaves &#8216;Sova to cut off the penetration.</p>
<p>Now, Bogut pulls up after one dribble, so I don&#8217;t know whether the double was necessary, but from that point it happened pretty quickly.  &#8216;Sova jumped up from the baseline to the block as Danny tried to come down.  &#8216;Sova had an advantage simply because of where he was when the shot went up, blocked out Danny, and grabbed the rebound as it came off.</p>
<p>It would be more clear cut, had &#8216;Sova just out-muscled, out-quicked, or out-jumped Posey for the board, but that wasn&#8217;t the case.  If McRoberts is in, he might not double and get the board.  He might not double, and Bogut might come down the baseline and get a bucket or a foul.  He might double, and the same thing happens.  He might double, and be able to recover and get the board.  </p>
<p>Maybe Posey shouldn&#8217;t have doubled.  Maybe Danny should have been more aware and rotated sooner to pick up &#8216;Sova.  Maybe McRoberts would have made it better, maybe not.</p>
<p>The decisions in that situation or on the final play stand in line behind the slow start and some bad execution (Brandon Rush&#8217;s turnover on the preceding play, Hibbert&#8217;s Bare Ball.)</p>
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		<title>By: Nadir Zaidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadir Zaidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 23:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about the decision to substitute Posey for McRoberts? It seemed like a questionable decision at the time, but understandable since McRoberts had 5 fouls. In the end, Posey was unable to box out Ilyasova, who got to the line after a crucial offensive board.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the decision to substitute Posey for McRoberts? It seemed like a questionable decision at the time, but understandable since McRoberts had 5 fouls. In the end, Posey was unable to box out Ilyasova, who got to the line after a crucial offensive board.</p>
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		<title>By: mellifluous</title>
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		<dc:creator>mellifluous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the most part I agree with you that it was little more than a fantastic play by the Bucks.  The one thing I question is having Foster play Bogut rather than McRoberts.  I get the savvy vet angle, but if I&#039;m in a situation where there&#039;s about an 85% chance of a lob, I want my tallest best leaper on the floor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the most part I agree with you that it was little more than a fantastic play by the Bucks.  The one thing I question is having Foster play Bogut rather than McRoberts.  I get the savvy vet angle, but if I&#8217;m in a situation where there&#8217;s about an 85% chance of a lob, I want my tallest best leaper on the floor.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Donahue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Donahue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, it hit the rim, but I believe the call was that it went out of bounds before the clock expired.  I didn&#039;t re-watch, but the play-by-play doesn&#039;t show that a 24-second violation was called.  I think it went out and stopped the clock - so touching the rim wouldn&#039;t matter in that instance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it hit the rim, but I believe the call was that it went out of bounds before the clock expired.  I didn&#8217;t re-watch, but the play-by-play doesn&#8217;t show that a 24-second violation was called.  I think it went out and stopped the clock &#8211; so touching the rim wouldn&#8217;t matter in that instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadir Zaidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadir Zaidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 17:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To those of you that watched the game against the Bucks, there was a replay of Hibbert&#039;s missed shot at the end that showed the ball barely touching the rim. Either way, there was hardly an excuse to miss it that bad, but the game should have gone into overtime. The Pacers broadcast showed the replay from behind Hibbert. You can see it hit the rim. I can&#039;t find the replay anywhere else. Let me know what you think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those of you that watched the game against the Bucks, there was a replay of Hibbert&#8217;s missed shot at the end that showed the ball barely touching the rim. Either way, there was hardly an excuse to miss it that bad, but the game should have gone into overtime. The Pacers broadcast showed the replay from behind Hibbert. You can see it hit the rim. I can&#8217;t find the replay anywhere else. Let me know what you think.</p>
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