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		<title>By: Pacers vs. Bulls Spiderwebs &#8211; Game 3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pacers vs. Bulls Spiderwebs &#8211; Game 3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 20:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] just under 30%, which is extremely high.  He had opportunities, and he failed to convert them.  Alex Yovanovich highlighted the concerns that Roy&#8217;s play has raised more completely than I can here, but at [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] just under 30%, which is extremely high.  He had opportunities, and he failed to convert them.  Alex Yovanovich highlighted the concerns that Roy&#8217;s play has raised more completely than I can here, but at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 04:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Alex. I actually missed game 3 and really a lot o reg season games one the west coast. After watching game 4 your points are right on. I guess I&#039;m partial to guys that work as hard as Roy but he might not be the answer. He was praised for this game but his flaws are apparent. Meanwhile I&#039;m coming back around on Granger. And I agree we&#039;d need a real star for him in a trade. The fact is we could probably still sell high on Hibbert and sign a star with our cap space. As long as we keep Foster...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alex. I actually missed game 3 and really a lot o reg season games one the west coast. After watching game 4 your points are right on. I guess I&#8217;m partial to guys that work as hard as Roy but he might not be the answer. He was praised for this game but his flaws are apparent. Meanwhile I&#8217;m coming back around on Granger. And I agree we&#8217;d need a real star for him in a trade. The fact is we could probably still sell high on Hibbert and sign a star with our cap space. As long as we keep Foster&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Oak Maple Cherry &#124; Archipeo.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oak Maple Cherry &#124; Archipeo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 02:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Timmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 22:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Jeff Foster was going nuts sitting on the bench watching a guard tear through the lane time after time, game after game.  When he was in, he was determined to send a message to Rose and the Bulls - nobody is coming down the lane without getting mauled.  He was spoiling for a fight, and he had a look on his face of disgust and indignation.  I think he&#039;s tired of losing to this team, and he was just taking it out on the best guy on the other team-but it may be some of his teammates that he&#039;s really most disgusted with.  I don&#039;t know, maybe it is Roy he&#039;s fed-up with.  Foster and most others on the team seem done with being SOFT.  This team is not talented enough to win a game in this series unless everyone joins the Foster&#039;s Goon Squad for game four.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jeff Foster was going nuts sitting on the bench watching a guard tear through the lane time after time, game after game.  When he was in, he was determined to send a message to Rose and the Bulls &#8211; nobody is coming down the lane without getting mauled.  He was spoiling for a fight, and he had a look on his face of disgust and indignation.  I think he&#8217;s tired of losing to this team, and he was just taking it out on the best guy on the other team-but it may be some of his teammates that he&#8217;s really most disgusted with.  I don&#8217;t know, maybe it is Roy he&#8217;s fed-up with.  Foster and most others on the team seem done with being SOFT.  This team is not talented enough to win a game in this series unless everyone joins the Foster&#8217;s Goon Squad for game four.</p>
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		<title>By: mathis</title>
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		<dc:creator>mathis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[im been watching your team play and man do yall have a good team. if i was your gm I&#039;d go hard at signing Deandre Jordan. he&#039;s a real game changer when he&#039;s tuned in. I dont even notice Roy Hibbert is on the court until somebody passes to him]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im been watching your team play and man do yall have a good team. if i was your gm I&#8217;d go hard at signing Deandre Jordan. he&#8217;s a real game changer when he&#8217;s tuned in. I dont even notice Roy Hibbert is on the court until somebody passes to him</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Yovanovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Yovanovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 17:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christian,

Unfortunately, having Roy Hibbert concentrate on being a defender is not going to cut it.  He is not a good defender.  Hibbert often gets himself in bad defensive position and then commits fouls that he shouldn&#039;t because he cannot recover quickly enough.  He has improved in this area from his rookie year, but he is still a liability on the defensive end of the floor.  He blocks shots and that&#039;s about it.  He has to be a low post scorer to be effective or he should not be resigned.  

Take a look at game three.  The Pacers were far better off at the defensive end with the Jeff Foster-Tyler Hansbrough combination than with the Hibbert-Hansbrough combination.  Why was that?  Foster&#039;s a much, much better defender than Hibbert.

You could go out and get a starting power forward and bring Hansbrough off the bench as a sixth man, but that doesn&#039;t fix the problem of having a center who is not going to be your low post scorer.  Hibbert can&#039;t play the high post nearly as well as Hansbrough.  All you would have is a new power forward who could post up and a center with no defined role.  I don&#039;t see how that makes the team better.  Besides, Hibbert&#039;s own comments show that he believes he is the low post scorer on this team... even if he doesn&#039;t execute that role very well.

If you were going to trade Danny Granger, you better get a star in his place, because he&#039;s the best thing the Pacers have going offensively.  He&#039;s not a one-on-one creator for late game heroics and he does force shots sometimes.  However, if he&#039;s not the number one option, he&#039;s still far more valuable than anyone else on the current roster.  Granger is the best outside scorer on this team. There&#039;s no one on the Pacers that can replace that role.

Hibbert is better than he was a rookie, but if you want to make this Hibbert vs. Granger choice, I&#039;d take Granger 10 times out of 10.  

Fortunately, we don&#039;t have to make such a choice.  We can keep both players.  We can move both players... but only if it makes this team better.  All moves have to be made with an eye to making this team better.  Finding a way to close out games and establish a low post presence is critical to this team&#039;s future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian,</p>
<p>Unfortunately, having Roy Hibbert concentrate on being a defender is not going to cut it.  He is not a good defender.  Hibbert often gets himself in bad defensive position and then commits fouls that he shouldn&#8217;t because he cannot recover quickly enough.  He has improved in this area from his rookie year, but he is still a liability on the defensive end of the floor.  He blocks shots and that&#8217;s about it.  He has to be a low post scorer to be effective or he should not be resigned.  </p>
<p>Take a look at game three.  The Pacers were far better off at the defensive end with the Jeff Foster-Tyler Hansbrough combination than with the Hibbert-Hansbrough combination.  Why was that?  Foster&#8217;s a much, much better defender than Hibbert.</p>
<p>You could go out and get a starting power forward and bring Hansbrough off the bench as a sixth man, but that doesn&#8217;t fix the problem of having a center who is not going to be your low post scorer.  Hibbert can&#8217;t play the high post nearly as well as Hansbrough.  All you would have is a new power forward who could post up and a center with no defined role.  I don&#8217;t see how that makes the team better.  Besides, Hibbert&#8217;s own comments show that he believes he is the low post scorer on this team&#8230; even if he doesn&#8217;t execute that role very well.</p>
<p>If you were going to trade Danny Granger, you better get a star in his place, because he&#8217;s the best thing the Pacers have going offensively.  He&#8217;s not a one-on-one creator for late game heroics and he does force shots sometimes.  However, if he&#8217;s not the number one option, he&#8217;s still far more valuable than anyone else on the current roster.  Granger is the best outside scorer on this team. There&#8217;s no one on the Pacers that can replace that role.</p>
<p>Hibbert is better than he was a rookie, but if you want to make this Hibbert vs. Granger choice, I&#8217;d take Granger 10 times out of 10.  </p>
<p>Fortunately, we don&#8217;t have to make such a choice.  We can keep both players.  We can move both players&#8230; but only if it makes this team better.  All moves have to be made with an eye to making this team better.  Finding a way to close out games and establish a low post presence is critical to this team&#8217;s future.</p>
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		<title>By: eric weathers</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric weathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with all of this. Hibbert has the potential to be a great center, but his confidence is.lackluster at best. I can think of five times off the top of my head where he has gotten the ball on the block with position and waited for the double team to arrive before making his move. And that is just this series. It might be time to bring out the football pads in practice and just bump him around until he has the strength and confidence to go toward the basket when a stronger man is guarding him. Rather than force that.jump hook. 

Also, I was at the game last night and there was a possession where he got the offensive board inside the low block and instead of going up hard and throwing it down, he saw contact coming and laid it up. Because he was worried about the contact he missed it and I believe boozed came up with the rebound on the other side. Pacers and hibbert have to figure out something for him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all of this. Hibbert has the potential to be a great center, but his confidence is.lackluster at best. I can think of five times off the top of my head where he has gotten the ball on the block with position and waited for the double team to arrive before making his move. And that is just this series. It might be time to bring out the football pads in practice and just bump him around until he has the strength and confidence to go toward the basket when a stronger man is guarding him. Rather than force that.jump hook. </p>
<p>Also, I was at the game last night and there was a possession where he got the offensive board inside the low block and instead of going up hard and throwing it down, he saw contact coming and laid it up. Because he was worried about the contact he missed it and I believe boozed came up with the rebound on the other side. Pacers and hibbert have to figure out something for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good summary Alex.

I&#039;m interested to hear more of your thoughts on Hibbert. Your paragraph is fair, but it does talk about him in a vacuum. I mean, it is not necessarily that the Pacers have to have him be a scorer to be successful. If they got a PF who can score, that solves the issue of low post scoring. In that scenario, Hibbert can focus on being a defender and rebounder. His height is valuable (and rare). However, this would assume that we believe he CAN get better at those things. And without getting a PF, it would assume Hans can fill the scoring role down low which is unlikely considering his size.

When you look at all positions, my opinion is that Granger&#039;s spot is the most expendable because of the ability that position SHOULD have to make his own shots. Whereas NBA&#039;s history is full of examples of champs who have big man that aren&#039;t scoring threats. Not to mention that getting someone like that would draw more double teams and be able to get the ball more easily to Hibbert in the post on a regular basis (assuming he makes his bunnies). So, in the end, I find Granger to be the bigger drain on his position than Hibbert. Also, Granger has plateaud, whereas Hibbert has improved all three years--a trend that could continue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good summary Alex.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested to hear more of your thoughts on Hibbert. Your paragraph is fair, but it does talk about him in a vacuum. I mean, it is not necessarily that the Pacers have to have him be a scorer to be successful. If they got a PF who can score, that solves the issue of low post scoring. In that scenario, Hibbert can focus on being a defender and rebounder. His height is valuable (and rare). However, this would assume that we believe he CAN get better at those things. And without getting a PF, it would assume Hans can fill the scoring role down low which is unlikely considering his size.</p>
<p>When you look at all positions, my opinion is that Granger&#8217;s spot is the most expendable because of the ability that position SHOULD have to make his own shots. Whereas NBA&#8217;s history is full of examples of champs who have big man that aren&#8217;t scoring threats. Not to mention that getting someone like that would draw more double teams and be able to get the ball more easily to Hibbert in the post on a regular basis (assuming he makes his bunnies). So, in the end, I find Granger to be the bigger drain on his position than Hibbert. Also, Granger has plateaud, whereas Hibbert has improved all three years&#8211;a trend that could continue.</p>
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