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		<title>By: The Point Forward &#187; Posts Details of league&#8217;s two proposals to union &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Point Forward &#187; Posts Details of league&#8217;s two proposals to union &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is an argument to be made (and Tim Donahue of the Pacers-themed blog Eight Points, Nine Seconds has already made it) for a hard cap system that includes both a higher spending floor and a higher cap than the $58 [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Nets Are Scorching TV Episode 4: Tim Donahue &#124; Nets Are Scorching</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nets Are Scorching TV Episode 4: Tim Donahue &#124; Nets Are Scorching</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 19:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] has done extensive writing in regards to the lockout and has even made  his own proposals on what he would do to resolve the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: CBA Talk: The Owners&#8217; Proposed Luxury Tax May As Well Be a Hard Cap</title>
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		<dc:creator>CBA Talk: The Owners&#8217; Proposed Luxury Tax May As Well Be a Hard Cap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] it&#8217;s not yet obvious, I will get to why this creates a virtual hard cap. (A concept our boy Tim Donahue already explained when discussing a different, even-less oppressive tax system was [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: The Issues That May Cost the NBA Games</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Issues That May Cost the NBA Games</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 22:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Why a Luxury Tax Isn&#8217;t My Idea of the Answer September 21, 2011 [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Cowat Chinfo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wednesday Bullets</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cowat Chinfo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wednesday Bullets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of revenue sharing, why not a really steep luxury tax, that gets steeper the more you spend? It has a lot going for it. NBA people have told me they&#8217;re not so into it because it still [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Around The Forest: Week of September 16 &#124; Rude &#039;Tude Sports</title>
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		<dc:creator>Around The Forest: Week of September 16 &#124; Rude &#039;Tude Sports</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 19:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wintermute</title>
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		<dc:creator>wintermute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 17:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that luxury tax has been a failure, both as a revenue sharing measure and as a deterrent to spending. However, I think we&#039;ll still see luxury tax returning in its deterrent role.

Here&#039;s the problem: Hunter has staked his position on the &quot;no hard cap&quot; stance, so even a high hard cap like you proposed might not be acceptable if also coupled with a large BRI giveback. So to make it politically acceptable for the players, the owners&#039; offer has to be dressed up such that while it may act like a hard cap, it technically isn&#039;t one. The easiest way I can think of is a luxury tax with very steep penalties. As you said, the current luxury tax works as a deterrent on poorer teams, but not on rich teams. Raise the penalties though, and it would deter ever richer teams. Ideally we&#039;d want the penalties so high that ALL teams are deterred, making it effectively a hard cap. And since ideally we don&#039;t expect the luxury threshold to be breached, it should be decoupled from the actual revenue sharing scheme.

I think though that if teams are going this far, they might as well make it a hard cap straight out. However, the need for an appearance of compromise might result in this sort of monstrosity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that luxury tax has been a failure, both as a revenue sharing measure and as a deterrent to spending. However, I think we&#8217;ll still see luxury tax returning in its deterrent role.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the problem: Hunter has staked his position on the &#8220;no hard cap&#8221; stance, so even a high hard cap like you proposed might not be acceptable if also coupled with a large BRI giveback. So to make it politically acceptable for the players, the owners&#8217; offer has to be dressed up such that while it may act like a hard cap, it technically isn&#8217;t one. The easiest way I can think of is a luxury tax with very steep penalties. As you said, the current luxury tax works as a deterrent on poorer teams, but not on rich teams. Raise the penalties though, and it would deter ever richer teams. Ideally we&#8217;d want the penalties so high that ALL teams are deterred, making it effectively a hard cap. And since ideally we don&#8217;t expect the luxury threshold to be breached, it should be decoupled from the actual revenue sharing scheme.</p>
<p>I think though that if teams are going this far, they might as well make it a hard cap straight out. However, the need for an appearance of compromise might result in this sort of monstrosity.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article. The OKC example at the end really helps drive home the point, and helps me understand the downsides of luxury tax. Do you think some of your proposals will get any traction with the NBA, or is the hard cap rev sharing too much to ask of the big market owners?

To the Rashard problem above, I think as long as the orginal team still has some detriment on their cap space, it would be a solid idea. I think the NBA in general, is more concerned about having the contract in the league. The players, actually, in the interest of fairness to other players, shouldn&#039;t like &quot;Rashard&quot; contracts either though. Any money going to Rashard isn&#039;t going to another player, since its more or less a zero-sum system. If I was an owner, I would make the seemly counter-intuitive argument to the players (that its in their best interest) for shorter contracts and less guaranteed money, on this &quot;zero sum&quot; basis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. The OKC example at the end really helps drive home the point, and helps me understand the downsides of luxury tax. Do you think some of your proposals will get any traction with the NBA, or is the hard cap rev sharing too much to ask of the big market owners?</p>
<p>To the Rashard problem above, I think as long as the orginal team still has some detriment on their cap space, it would be a solid idea. I think the NBA in general, is more concerned about having the contract in the league. The players, actually, in the interest of fairness to other players, shouldn&#8217;t like &#8220;Rashard&#8221; contracts either though. Any money going to Rashard isn&#8217;t going to another player, since its more or less a zero-sum system. If I was an owner, I would make the seemly counter-intuitive argument to the players (that its in their best interest) for shorter contracts and less guaranteed money, on this &#8220;zero sum&#8221; basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 21:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed that TOO much of an amnesty program would be bad. Maybe limit teams to 1 waived player at a time. So, if you waive someone with a 5 year deal, you can&#039;t use the waiver again until that contract is completed. Makes it a &quot;big gun&quot; sort of fix to be brought out only in rare circumstances, not a means to a revolving roster for big revenue teams. In theory, this would mean teams would only use it in the most dire situations. You wouldn&#039;t want to use that on a player who is worth 80% of their contract because A: another team is now going to get a player who is worth 200%+ of their contract, basically a rookie deal for a vet and B: if you use it on a moderately productive but slightly overpaid player, you run the risk of not having your waiver availabe for the grossly overpaid player that could already be on your roster waiting to get fat in the offseason (Eddy Curry).

The cash flow question is an interesting one. I am by no means an expert on NBA cash flow. But, how much does that &quot;albatross&quot; player hurt the franchise not just on the court, but also with the fans. Feelings like &quot;Our ownership is so dumb, look at that 20 million a year guy sitting on the bench.&quot; can cause a fan base to become disgruntled. Does getting rid of that player and allowing the roster to move help the revenue stream by ending a bad era more quickly? Take the Wizards. They, for the most part, have a young, exciting team. Losing Rashard, even if they only use the 25% they saved to replace him with a 4 million a year player, would probably help the franchise to be more appealing to fans. Get the monkey off the back sort of thing. That would have 0 impact on their cash flow while allowing Rashard to get out of the picture, which would brighten fans outlook and, hopefully, the dollars they spend.

One last thought on cash flow:

Put the ratio on an escalating scale. First year the original team pays at a ration of 75:25, second year 70:30, third 65:35, etc. etc.

Makes it slightly less appealing to pick up the waived player by other teams, but loosens up some cash flow for the original team over time. Changes the dynamic a bit, not sure for the better, but those types of tweaks could make the system work.

Probably not a perfect system, but we have to do something during the lockout, right??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed that TOO much of an amnesty program would be bad. Maybe limit teams to 1 waived player at a time. So, if you waive someone with a 5 year deal, you can&#8217;t use the waiver again until that contract is completed. Makes it a &#8220;big gun&#8221; sort of fix to be brought out only in rare circumstances, not a means to a revolving roster for big revenue teams. In theory, this would mean teams would only use it in the most dire situations. You wouldn&#8217;t want to use that on a player who is worth 80% of their contract because A: another team is now going to get a player who is worth 200%+ of their contract, basically a rookie deal for a vet and B: if you use it on a moderately productive but slightly overpaid player, you run the risk of not having your waiver availabe for the grossly overpaid player that could already be on your roster waiting to get fat in the offseason (Eddy Curry).</p>
<p>The cash flow question is an interesting one. I am by no means an expert on NBA cash flow. But, how much does that &#8220;albatross&#8221; player hurt the franchise not just on the court, but also with the fans. Feelings like &#8220;Our ownership is so dumb, look at that 20 million a year guy sitting on the bench.&#8221; can cause a fan base to become disgruntled. Does getting rid of that player and allowing the roster to move help the revenue stream by ending a bad era more quickly? Take the Wizards. They, for the most part, have a young, exciting team. Losing Rashard, even if they only use the 25% they saved to replace him with a 4 million a year player, would probably help the franchise to be more appealing to fans. Get the monkey off the back sort of thing. That would have 0 impact on their cash flow while allowing Rashard to get out of the picture, which would brighten fans outlook and, hopefully, the dollars they spend.</p>
<p>One last thought on cash flow:</p>
<p>Put the ratio on an escalating scale. First year the original team pays at a ration of 75:25, second year 70:30, third 65:35, etc. etc.</p>
<p>Makes it slightly less appealing to pick up the waived player by other teams, but loosens up some cash flow for the original team over time. Changes the dynamic a bit, not sure for the better, but those types of tweaks could make the system work.</p>
<p>Probably not a perfect system, but we have to do something during the lockout, right??</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Donahue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Donahue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan - I need to think all the way through how your plan would work, but I&#039;m not in favor of any kind of perpetual amnesty program - which is sort of what you&#039;re suggesting. Cap space and flexibility is important, but so are the dollars being spent. Even if the $15 million left in Washington isn&#039;t cloggin up their cap space, it is hurting their cash flow. For some teams, it won&#039;t matter, but for the lower revenue teams, they won&#039;t be able to spend the additional cap space any way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &#8211; I need to think all the way through how your plan would work, but I&#8217;m not in favor of any kind of perpetual amnesty program &#8211; which is sort of what you&#8217;re suggesting. Cap space and flexibility is important, but so are the dollars being spent. Even if the $15 million left in Washington isn&#8217;t cloggin up their cap space, it is hurting their cash flow. For some teams, it won&#8217;t matter, but for the lower revenue teams, they won&#8217;t be able to spend the additional cap space any way.</p>
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