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		<title>By: NoLookPass</title>
		<link>http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2012/05/sweatin-bullets-3/comment-page-1/#comment-14063</link>
		<dc:creator>NoLookPass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 09:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Tyler and most scorers who shoot a lot of jumpers need tons of shots to be successful. Its hard to find your groove getting 5 shots a game how many times do you see star players start out slow then get it going and roll.

He shot 49.9% over 30 games as a stater in this league so he has shown when given the ball with a supporting cast that he can score it and as poor as he shot this year at 40.5% overall in RS he was at 45.7% or 91-of-199 when getting 9 or more shots this year more inline with 6th man type players,

In games where he took less than 6 shots this year he shot 26-of-88 or 29.5% and if you include the PO where he had a 4-for-5 game into that its 38-of-123 30.9% with 5 or less shots this year making it painfully clear he needs his touches to be effective.

We needed to commit to him over the first half of the season and let him sink or swim being the 6rh man role feeding him 6th man shots to see what we had and if he failed add a scorer at the deadline like we did with Barbosa.

But what we ended up doing is having too many shooters and not enough shots and it hurt everyone we had a killed the bench players. When Hill went to starting and getting his shots his percentage spiked we added Barbosa and as he loss shots his percentage dipped.

We had the perfect storm to make for poor shooting team. No real offensive system, no real PG, no set roles for our players and 8 deep on score first players and guys like Lou and Jones who aren&#039;t shy about jacking up a shot.

We were the worst shooting team in the RS to make the PO and it fell 2.9% in playoffs and have tons of talent, but the problem might we we have too much talent for only one ball and need to thin it our some in favor of players with set roles rather than a bunch of score first players getting in each others ways and stepping on each others toes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Tyler and most scorers who shoot a lot of jumpers need tons of shots to be successful. Its hard to find your groove getting 5 shots a game how many times do you see star players start out slow then get it going and roll.</p>
<p>He shot 49.9% over 30 games as a stater in this league so he has shown when given the ball with a supporting cast that he can score it and as poor as he shot this year at 40.5% overall in RS he was at 45.7% or 91-of-199 when getting 9 or more shots this year more inline with 6th man type players,</p>
<p>In games where he took less than 6 shots this year he shot 26-of-88 or 29.5% and if you include the PO where he had a 4-for-5 game into that its 38-of-123 30.9% with 5 or less shots this year making it painfully clear he needs his touches to be effective.</p>
<p>We needed to commit to him over the first half of the season and let him sink or swim being the 6rh man role feeding him 6th man shots to see what we had and if he failed add a scorer at the deadline like we did with Barbosa.</p>
<p>But what we ended up doing is having too many shooters and not enough shots and it hurt everyone we had a killed the bench players. When Hill went to starting and getting his shots his percentage spiked we added Barbosa and as he loss shots his percentage dipped.</p>
<p>We had the perfect storm to make for poor shooting team. No real offensive system, no real PG, no set roles for our players and 8 deep on score first players and guys like Lou and Jones who aren&#8217;t shy about jacking up a shot.</p>
<p>We were the worst shooting team in the RS to make the PO and it fell 2.9% in playoffs and have tons of talent, but the problem might we we have too much talent for only one ball and need to thin it our some in favor of players with set roles rather than a bunch of score first players getting in each others ways and stepping on each others toes.</p>
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		<title>By: tideofunc</title>
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		<dc:creator>tideofunc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 01:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[in reply to NoLookPass :
&quot;We tried to get a bunch of guys and give them equal shots off the bench rather than giving one guy a ton a letting him be our 6th and grow into the role. Seemed like that was what we were going to do with Tyler to start the year when he got so much 6th man love nationally but after 8 or so games he was down getting around 5 shots a game most nights with the occasional big double figure shot total mixed in and a usually those games were good.&quot;

this is the best explanation of TYLER&#039;S woes i&#039;ve seen in reading numerous blogs. i have wondered all year what necessitated the change in his role. by the end of the season, he was like the 9th player off the bench. did he enter vogel&#039;s &quot;dog house&quot; for something, which i doubt due to his team first attitude? did he have problems season-long w/his shin-splint problem? was it a chemistry problem? whatever it was, the change as manifested by diminished playing time and lack of touches resulted in a promising player being lost. as an extreme fan of TYLER, i think the best that could happen for him is to be traded to another team which appreciates and utilizes what he has to offer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in reply to NoLookPass :<br />
&#8220;We tried to get a bunch of guys and give them equal shots off the bench rather than giving one guy a ton a letting him be our 6th and grow into the role. Seemed like that was what we were going to do with Tyler to start the year when he got so much 6th man love nationally but after 8 or so games he was down getting around 5 shots a game most nights with the occasional big double figure shot total mixed in and a usually those games were good.&#8221;</p>
<p>this is the best explanation of TYLER&#8217;S woes i&#8217;ve seen in reading numerous blogs. i have wondered all year what necessitated the change in his role. by the end of the season, he was like the 9th player off the bench. did he enter vogel&#8217;s &#8220;dog house&#8221; for something, which i doubt due to his team first attitude? did he have problems season-long w/his shin-splint problem? was it a chemistry problem? whatever it was, the change as manifested by diminished playing time and lack of touches resulted in a promising player being lost. as an extreme fan of TYLER, i think the best that could happen for him is to be traded to another team which appreciates and utilizes what he has to offer.</p>
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		<title>By: NoLookPass</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoLookPass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 22:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@little B

Danny isn&#039;t better than James Harden now and James is 22 going on 23 so replacing him with Danny makes them or any team a worse team.  If Granger was on any other team nobody here would care about him but since he&#039;s our guy he&#039;s looked at in a better light. If every team in the NBA could choose between the two players all things equal they all would take Harden.

Danny took 5.1 shots a game just to score 1.9 more PPG this year and Harden had more way more assists.

DG had18.7 PPG on 15.2 shots per game with]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@little B</p>
<p>Danny isn&#8217;t better than James Harden now and James is 22 going on 23 so replacing him with Danny makes them or any team a worse team.  If Granger was on any other team nobody here would care about him but since he&#8217;s our guy he&#8217;s looked at in a better light. If every team in the NBA could choose between the two players all things equal they all would take Harden.</p>
<p>Danny took 5.1 shots a game just to score 1.9 more PPG this year and Harden had more way more assists.</p>
<p>DG had18.7 PPG on 15.2 shots per game with</p>
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		<title>By: @havoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>@havoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 15:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@havoc
Thanks for some back up! haha, it is nice to have someone who understands the Nash situations - not COME TO INDY! UP AND COMING TEAM!

@Everyone
What do you think a Pacers vs. Boston Series would be like? Just interested!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@havoc<br />
Thanks for some back up! haha, it is nice to have someone who understands the Nash situations &#8211; not COME TO INDY! UP AND COMING TEAM!</p>
<p>@Everyone<br />
What do you think a Pacers vs. Boston Series would be like? Just interested!</p>
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		<title>By: havoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>havoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 15:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ little b &amp; pat
nash has already stated his preferred destinations are phoenix (1), mia (1a), dallas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ little b &amp; pat<br />
nash has already stated his preferred destinations are phoenix (1), mia (1a), dallas.</p>
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		<title>By: IU Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>IU Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 01:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jones and @KeepsDreaming

PG - George Hill
SG - Eric Gordon
SF - Paul George  
PF - David West
C - Roy Hibbert

I&#039;m not completely familiar with the payroll and free agency market, but if Gordon for Granger is a fair economical deal, it&#039;d be a huge win for the Pacers in defensive intensity, offensive fire-power, and seat-filler.  I&#039;d also really like to see a three and four guy who can shoot lights out from three coming off the bench.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jones and @KeepsDreaming</p>
<p>PG &#8211; George Hill<br />
SG &#8211; Eric Gordon<br />
SF &#8211; Paul George<br />
PF &#8211; David West<br />
C &#8211; Roy Hibbert</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not completely familiar with the payroll and free agency market, but if Gordon for Granger is a fair economical deal, it&#8217;d be a huge win for the Pacers in defensive intensity, offensive fire-power, and seat-filler.  I&#8217;d also really like to see a three and four guy who can shoot lights out from three coming off the bench.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 22:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Pacers need a superstar player or several players with above average talent that can fit a role.  Hibbert is solid but can he get you 30 and 15? That is the type of performance that extends series to Game 7.  West had a clear advantage the entire series, did he give up any game close to that? The writer questions Lebron&#039;s desire and heart, compares it to West.  What series did you watch? I like Granger but if he is your best player, then be happy going to the second round for the next 3 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pacers need a superstar player or several players with above average talent that can fit a role.  Hibbert is solid but can he get you 30 and 15? That is the type of performance that extends series to Game 7.  West had a clear advantage the entire series, did he give up any game close to that? The writer questions Lebron&#8217;s desire and heart, compares it to West.  What series did you watch? I like Granger but if he is your best player, then be happy going to the second round for the next 3 years.</p>
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		<title>By: @pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>@pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 21:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@little b
I respectfully disagree. KG (16/8/1 w/ 50%/85% splits) is by far better than West (13/6/.8 w/ 49%/80% splits). Better numbers and a top 5 defensive player in this league – wrong.
I have couple more issues as well. I think Harden is flat out better than Granger. Harden shoots 10 times a game to get 16.8 PPG. Granger shoots 15 times to score 18 PPG. Harden plays less minutes and passes the ball A LOT better. 
@pat
Also, Steve Nash isn’t going to Dallas. He needs to win now, he’s 38! (Up and coming team isn’t what he wants) He will end up with a better team (Heat, Lakers or contending (not eastern semi’s) team).
Also, FYI Pacers fan – Hibbert isn’t worth 8 figures. If he gets that, uh-oh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@little b<br />
I respectfully disagree. KG (16/8/1 w/ 50%/85% splits) is by far better than West (13/6/.8 w/ 49%/80% splits). Better numbers and a top 5 defensive player in this league – wrong.<br />
I have couple more issues as well. I think Harden is flat out better than Granger. Harden shoots 10 times a game to get 16.8 PPG. Granger shoots 15 times to score 18 PPG. Harden plays less minutes and passes the ball A LOT better.<br />
@pat<br />
Also, Steve Nash isn’t going to Dallas. He needs to win now, he’s 38! (Up and coming team isn’t what he wants) He will end up with a better team (Heat, Lakers or contending (not eastern semi’s) team).<br />
Also, FYI Pacers fan – Hibbert isn’t worth 8 figures. If he gets that, uh-oh.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 20:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@little b 

was just thinking about Steve Nash as well. Don&#039;t know if he wants to go back to dallas, especially when they just regressed last year. 

I would like to think he would prefer an up and coming team that he could possibly push over the hump. 

Hard to say what he&#039;ll do especially if miami loses. He&#039;s looking for rings so we just have to hope roy doesn&#039;t empty out the wallet and maybe add another supporting guy to get us there]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@little b </p>
<p>was just thinking about Steve Nash as well. Don&#8217;t know if he wants to go back to dallas, especially when they just regressed last year. </p>
<p>I would like to think he would prefer an up and coming team that he could possibly push over the hump. </p>
<p>Hard to say what he&#8217;ll do especially if miami loses. He&#8217;s looking for rings so we just have to hope roy doesn&#8217;t empty out the wallet and maybe add another supporting guy to get us there</p>
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		<title>By: little B</title>
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		<dc:creator>little B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 20:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Pat,
I like your idea and I think that would be the only key out (reasonably) that the Pacers could get and be immediate contendors next year. Hill out Dwill in, some magic for that to happen, but you never know. 
@@Pat is most likely right though with the options for him to choose, but Steve Nash is out there and whats the difference between Dallas and Indiana. Dirk? 
Probably won&#039;t have the money for anybody &quot;super&quot; after they sign Hibbert.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Pat,<br />
I like your idea and I think that would be the only key out (reasonably) that the Pacers could get and be immediate contendors next year. Hill out Dwill in, some magic for that to happen, but you never know.<br />
@@Pat is most likely right though with the options for him to choose, but Steve Nash is out there and whats the difference between Dallas and Indiana. Dirk?<br />
Probably won&#8217;t have the money for anybody &#8220;super&#8221; after they sign Hibbert.</p>
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