Comments on: Roy Hibbert and the Quixotic Quest to Quantify Value

By: Donald

Donald — Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:19:52 +0000

Market Value.

That is what I would pay for Roy Hibbert. I think the market values size, youth, and production. Pay Roy; worry about paying Danny, David, Darren, and Paul down the road.

By: Realist

Realist — Mon, 09 Jul 2012 06:30:36 +0000

2008-09 – 70/82 games played
2009-10 – 81/82 games played
2010-11 – 81/82 games played
2011-12 – 65/66 games played (rested 1)

Pretty damn durable for a 7’2 bloke. Not to mention the rapport with the fans. He is one of the good character guys Bird was adamant about filling the roster with after the mid 00′s. To me it’s a no-brainer. Pay him and don’t even worry about it. The 13 and 9 statline is fine. $10m a year is about right for the double-double centers who can protect the rim. Just try to look at it, as Hicks says, as “what would we do with the other 3-4 mill?”

Agree with gregor t. If Walsh doesn’t bring him back, I’ll be just stunned. Absolutely stunned.

By: David

David — Mon, 09 Jul 2012 03:39:53 +0000

You HAVE to pay Roy. Otherwise, you have NO options (better ones…) at center. I have to say that Walsh is welcome to go back to the Knicks if he doesn’t re-sign Hibbert. Let’s put it this way, the Pacers can start playing their games at the Anderson HS Wigwam or the Coliseum…because without him, they won’t need any more than 9,000 seats.

By: gregor t.

gregor t. — Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:50:49 +0000

If Walsh doesnt sign Roy Hibbert he can follow him out of town.

By: Jack

Jack — Sun, 08 Jul 2012 22:16:38 +0000

But we gotta resign hibbert first. and Kravitz said today in the Star that Walsh seems very non-committal towards keeping hibbert.

By: gregor t.

gregor t. — Sun, 08 Jul 2012 21:42:20 +0000

I doubt the Pacers can swing a deal for Luis Scola in this offseason. He just makes too much for us to match with value unless the Rockets take a deal just to move him. However, if Scola doesn’t get moved this summer maybe the Pacers could pick him up at the trade deadline like the Barbosa deal last year. THans and Lou were just overmatched against the Heat in the playoffs. I think Luis could be a real good fit. If THans could get 10 and 5 in the postseason this move wouldn’t be needed, but that is a big if. I think Scola is signed for 3yrs @ 9mil per which takes the Pacers out for this full season, but a deadline deal could work. As for next year, if D.West cant be resigned, Scola provides a pretty good replacement. If West is resigned, and i hope he is, that probably means THans wont be back. The numbers could work with Hans’ 3mil, D.Jones’ 3mil, and JPendergraphs’ 1.5 coming off the books to offset Scola’s 9mil. Wishful thinking? Maybe. But how good would a PF/C trio of Hibbert, West, And Scola be going forward? The Pacers still need a backup for Granger at SF, but consider this lineup:
PG – Hill/Collison
SG – George/ Lee-Mayo
SF – Granger/ ?
PF – West/Scola
C – Hibbert/Plumlee
It will probably take some work to bring back Collison for ’13 as well, but this team is real close. The starting 5 is top-notch, and a couple good moves for playoff bench contributors could just put the Pacers over the top. Can’t Wait!

By: Dwight Meredith

Dwight Meredith — Sun, 08 Jul 2012 18:50:09 +0000

I agree with Ian.

Do not underestimate the power of internal development. The good franchises get internal improvement from their players. George Hill in San Antonio is only one example. Tiago Splitter is another 25 year old big man. Does anyone doubt that he was better this year than last? Does anyone doubt that he will be better next year? I suspect that Shot Doctor Chip Engelland http://www.48minutesofhell.com/the-ball-tells-the-truth-an-interview-with-chip-engelland is working with him on free throws even as we speak.

Improvement from Hibbert and George is required for the Pacers to get one level higher. It is the job of both the players and the team to make sure it happens. If it doesn’t happen, you have either the wrong players or the wrong staff (or, of course, both). Since it is the job of the front office to choose the players, in either case of a general failure to develop players, you need different people staffing the organization.

I think the Pacer organization is pretty sound. Therefore I expect internal improvement from the youngish players.

By: Ian

Ian — Sun, 08 Jul 2012 16:52:03 +0000

gregor I agree with you, the funny thing about our 10-deep bench is that it really wasn’t. As many analysts like Hollinger pointed out, the disconnect between the perception and the reality of where the Pacers quality lies could not be larger. The Pacers had one of the 2-3 best starting lineups in all of Basketball on a per-minute basis. Because of the shortened schedule, our bench got lots of playing time, but never had more than one above average player on it (Hill or Collison). Every other Pacers bench player was significantly below average last season, and it was pretty obvious in the playoffs/

The Pacers need to resign Hibbert, sign a swingman like Lee or Mayo, hope Plumlee can make some kind of contribution and that Tyler bounces back to become a decent bench big man again. The natural improvement of Paul George and possibly Hibbert should help as well. We could definitely challenge for the #2 seed in the East with that roster.

By: Jack

Jack — Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:10:38 +0000

i think we’d have a chance against the heat in the ECF. you just never know what will be going on at the time, how much momentum we’ll have, whether or not the heat will be playing like they did in this season’s playoffs, etc. i really, really want the pacers to win a title, and i think it’s possible

By: gregor t.

gregor t. — Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:01:08 +0000

Pervis, the Pacers need players that can produce in the playoffs. Hibbert averaged a double/double. Name me one team with a Center that averages a double/double in the playoffs that makes less than what the Pacers will pay Hibbert. Bird’s dream of a 10 deep bench will leave with him. Seven deep will be just fine, if they can produce against the Heat and Bulls. An affordable Center that scores 12pts and rakes 11rbs against the Heat is what? A Multi-millionaire!