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All-Star Weekend 2010

Reggie Miller and the Three-Point Contest

by Jared Wade on February 14, 2010 at 3:44 pm · 3 comments

Back in the day, our boy Reggie’s contributions to All-Star Weekend were, let’s just say, more popular than they are these days. And never was he as beloved as when he was doing what he did best: Shoot treys.

Surprisingly, he never won a three-point contest despite participating five times (’89, ’90, ’93, ’95 and ’98), but he did twice lose in the finals — by one point each time. Here’s a quick breakdown of how he fared in all his appearances (which I’m pretty sure are the only five times any Pacer has participated.  Presumably, Danny will show up at some point. Except for that time Danny did it last year, which I totally didn’t forget about):

1989: Eliminated in second round with a round-low 11.
1990:
Lost by one in the finals to Craig Hodges (18-19). Reggie dropped a 16 in the first round and a round-high 18 in the second round. (Fun Fact: This was one contest MJ participated in — and he put up a highly embarassing total of 5, which is tied with Detlef’s 5 in 1988 for the worst score ever.)
1993:
Eliminated in the first round with a 14
1995:
Lost by one in the finals to Glen Rice, who won 17-16. Reggie dropped a 17 in the first round and a round-high 19 in the second round to make the finals.
1998:
Eliminated in the first round with a 12

It’s weird that a guy who loved pressure and the “all eyez on me” factor more than most shooters never won one — particularly since that guy is also arguably the best shooter humankind has ever produced. (Although I’m guessing that both his former coach/GM/guy in front of him in this photo and his sister might disagree.)

Regardless, Reggie — particularly, young Reggie — was a big reason that the contest had a flair and swagger to it back in the day that just did not exist last night. Paul Pierce brought a little flavor by yelling between racks as he knocked down triple after triple on his way to winning the first three-point trophy by any Celtic aside from the aforementioned Larry Legend, but it’s just not like it used to be. Or perhaps I’m just old? I dunno. Feels too formal and corporate rather than just being the “I’m better than you” pissing contest that it once was. Oh well. I’m a big Truth fan so it was nice to see him win anyway.

In other news, Stephen Curry’s shot is gorgeous and if he doesn’t win one of these things some day it will almost be as shocking as Reggie not having a trophy.

reggie miller threepoint contest

Reg was rocking some great shorts during the 1990 contest. Also, I had like 20 of those shirts that the dude with the glasses behind Reggie is wearing. The Bulls ones were great with that highly comical Bill Cartwright carictature. (Photo: Nathaniel S. Butler/NBAE via Getty Images)

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No Hibbert in Rookie/Sophomore Game

by Jared Wade on January 28, 2010 at 9:06 am · 1 comment

With Danny Granger certain to miss this year’s All-Star Game, Roy Hibbert was probably the only person with a shot at representing Indy in Dallas this February. But as we learned yesterday, the big fella didn’t make the cut for the Rookie/Sophomore Game. And looking at all the highly qualified sophomores on the roster, Pacer fans can’t even be too upset.

Here are the lineups for the Rookie/Sophomore Game.

All Star Rookie Sophomore

Really, the only second-year guy that Hibbert may have even had a shot of displacing from a talent standpoint is Kevin Love, but even though he missed significant time, Love’s numbers ultimately dwarf Roy’s. Honestly, had AJ Price started getting playing time back in November, it’s probably more likely that he could have beat out Jonas Jerebko or Taj Gibson than it is that Roy would have made the team. (Then again, more minutes for AJ could also have exposed him as not ready for prime-time. I like the kid, but the jury is still definitely out. And realizing as I type this that Ty Lawson didn’t even make the squad, the previous sentence I just typed is patently absurd.)

More important than some silly exhibition game that no one watches, however, is finding out what this team actually has in Roy Hibbert. That’s the larger issue for the team, obviously. So this does provide us with a nice opportunity to look at “Roy Hibbert: Season 2.” Is he the next great offensive big man in this league? Is he a potential All-Star? Is he good enough to build around? Is he a starter? Is he a good big off the bench? Is he a slow, non-rebounding bum who will be an also-ran in three years?

Who knows?

To begin delving deeping into “Roy Hibbert: Season 2,” let’s start by comparing him to the rest of his peers statistically. The following are a bunch of numbers to show how Roy stacks up next to all the second-year guys playing in this year’s sophomore game.

Here are the straight production stats per game, broken up into two charts:

per game1

per game2Interesting. From a points and boards perspective, he’s clearly not lighting the world on fire. But as I’m sure you’ve noticed, Roy gets the fewest minutes of any of these guys, so this probably isn’t the ultimate barometer of how he has fared versus the others, even when we factor in that he’s the oldest of the bunch — a notable distinction.

So let’s equalize the minutes and look at the number per-36 minutes:

per 36_1per 36_2Things look better here. His rebounding numbers are still not impressive, but we already knew that. His scoring per-36 also doesn’t suggest that he’s out-pacing his peers, but he is right there with heralded young guys like Danilo, OJ, Westbrook, Love and even Indiana’s own Eric Gordon. The blocks are clearly the most promising category here, and he is significantly better than everyone, including Brook Lopez, who has played well enough this year to make some people even talk about him as an All-Star candidate despite that fact that he plays for perhaps the worst team in NBA history.

Moving on, for those into this type of stuff, here’s how they all stack up according to “advanced stat” metrics:

advancedLooking at PER, everyone aside from the cream of the crop (Brook, Kevin Love and Derrick Rose) is between 15.5 and 16.9. And Roy is right there at 16.1. Roy’s defensive rebound rate of 16.7 is again troubling for a 7’2″ 23-year-old, particularly when we see that he is being bested here by even Michael Beasley — a much shorter, more perimeter-oriented guy who is routinely criticized for his inability to rebound. Then again, these numbers reinforce the fact that Roy has been the best shot-blocker of any second-year player listed here so far this year. But on another negative note, Hibbert also turns the ball over at a disturbing rate.

Something else I find interesting that he’s 5th out of these nine guys in usage, which shows that despite many of us in Pacerland’s complaints, he is actually getting just as many touches as many of his peers, yet is still unable to score as well as as guys like Brook, Beasley, Love or Mayo. This suggest that his shooting percentages need to go up if he wants to become a guy who demands a double team.

So that’s what the numbers say.

We’ll continue looking at “Roy Hibbert: Season 2″ as the year goes on and we’ll have some better qualitative assessments from some other notable NBA minds before the week is out. Look for that later today or tomorrow.

dinosaur

Often described as a dinosaur playing in a league of quicker, smaller mammals, Roy Hibbert’s numbers are in some respects comparable to his draft class. But in other ways, we can clearly see why he is still a step below the others.

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