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No Hibbert in Rookie/Sophomore Game

by Jared Wade on January 28, 2010 at 9:06 am · 1 comment

With Danny Granger certain to miss this year’s All-Star Game, Roy Hibbert was probably the only person with a shot at representing Indy in Dallas this February. But as we learned yesterday, the big fella didn’t make the cut for the Rookie/Sophomore Game. And looking at all the highly qualified sophomores on the roster, Pacer fans can’t even be too upset.

Here are the lineups for the Rookie/Sophomore Game.

All Star Rookie Sophomore

Really, the only second-year guy that Hibbert may have even had a shot of displacing from a talent standpoint is Kevin Love, but even though he missed significant time, Love’s numbers ultimately dwarf Roy’s. Honestly, had AJ Price started getting playing time back in November, it’s probably more likely that he could have beat out Jonas Jerebko or Taj Gibson than it is that Roy would have made the team. (Then again, more minutes for AJ could also have exposed him as not ready for prime-time. I like the kid, but the jury is still definitely out. And realizing as I type this that Ty Lawson didn’t even make the squad, the previous sentence I just typed is patently absurd.)

More important than some silly exhibition game that no one watches, however, is finding out what this team actually has in Roy Hibbert. That’s the larger issue for the team, obviously. So this does provide us with a nice opportunity to look at “Roy Hibbert: Season 2.” Is he the next great offensive big man in this league? Is he a potential All-Star? Is he good enough to build around? Is he a starter? Is he a good big off the bench? Is he a slow, non-rebounding bum who will be an also-ran in three years?

Who knows?

To begin delving deeping into “Roy Hibbert: Season 2,” let’s start by comparing him to the rest of his peers statistically. The following are a bunch of numbers to show how Roy stacks up next to all the second-year guys playing in this year’s sophomore game.

Here are the straight production stats per game, broken up into two charts:

per game1

per game2Interesting. From a points and boards perspective, he’s clearly not lighting the world on fire. But as I’m sure you’ve noticed, Roy gets the fewest minutes of any of these guys, so this probably isn’t the ultimate barometer of how he has fared versus the others, even when we factor in that he’s the oldest of the bunch — a notable distinction.

So let’s equalize the minutes and look at the number per-36 minutes:

per 36_1per 36_2Things look better here. His rebounding numbers are still not impressive, but we already knew that. His scoring per-36 also doesn’t suggest that he’s out-pacing his peers, but he is right there with heralded young guys like Danilo, OJ, Westbrook, Love and even Indiana’s own Eric Gordon. The blocks are clearly the most promising category here, and he is significantly better than everyone, including Brook Lopez, who has played well enough this year to make some people even talk about him as an All-Star candidate despite that fact that he plays for perhaps the worst team in NBA history.

Moving on, for those into this type of stuff, here’s how they all stack up according to “advanced stat” metrics:

advancedLooking at PER, everyone aside from the cream of the crop (Brook, Kevin Love and Derrick Rose) is between 15.5 and 16.9. And Roy is right there at 16.1. Roy’s defensive rebound rate of 16.7 is again troubling for a 7’2″ 23-year-old, particularly when we see that he is being bested here by even Michael Beasley — a much shorter, more perimeter-oriented guy who is routinely criticized for his inability to rebound. Then again, these numbers reinforce the fact that Roy has been the best shot-blocker of any second-year player listed here so far this year. But on another negative note, Hibbert also turns the ball over at a disturbing rate.

Something else I find interesting that he’s 5th out of these nine guys in usage, which shows that despite many of us in Pacerland’s complaints, he is actually getting just as many touches as many of his peers, yet is still unable to score as well as as guys like Brook, Beasley, Love or Mayo. This suggest that his shooting percentages need to go up if he wants to become a guy who demands a double team.

So that’s what the numbers say.

We’ll continue looking at “Roy Hibbert: Season 2″ as the year goes on and we’ll have some better qualitative assessments from some other notable NBA minds before the week is out. Look for that later today or tomorrow.

dinosaur

Often described as a dinosaur playing in a league of quicker, smaller mammals, Roy Hibbert’s numbers are in some respects comparable to his draft class. But in other ways, we can clearly see why he is still a step below the others.

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It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

But mostly, yeah, it just sort of sucked.

I actually dozed off on the couch pretty early in the second half of the Timberwolves game on Saturday (perhaps subconsciously forcing unconsciousness so I didn’t have to watch the inevitable Minnesota comeback?), so the first game of the weekend seemed to be, to me, a giant success.

Those first 24 minutes were by far the best I’ve seen the Pacers play so far this year.

But no matter how well you play in the first two quarters of a game, if you let a 28-point half-time lead turn into a 4-point lead with a minute to play, your performance doesn’t deserve too much praise. Sure, any win that breaks an 8-game losing streak is an overwhelming success, but it would have been nice to see the team be able to step on the collective throat of such a bad team when they had them lying on the ground so battered and ready to die.

(On average, Minnesota scores 10.3 fewer points per game than their opponents, a number only worsted by New Jersey’s 10.7 points fewer. By comparison, the Pacers are also atrocious at 28th in the league in margin of victory, but still “only” score 6.3 ppg less than their opponents. In short, the T-Wolves are really, really, really bad.)

I can’t add any perspective to the dismal second half, but the team played about as well as it possibly could in the first half. Everyone scored a ton and the ball movement was blissful. The jumpers were flowing like wine and everyone from Roy Hibbert to Dahntay Jones was scoring around the hoop.

So even if the game turned back into normal stand-around slog ball on offense and the defense started to allow all kinds of easy buckets, the first half at least gives the team some good film to watch and build off. They at least have some tangible evidence to look at and say “Hey, maybe we can actually score points if we pass well, move around and take good shots.”

Because that first half was great. It was a joyous occasion.

Something that was decidedly not a joyous occasion, however? Last night’s game with the Knicks.

I actually went to Madison Square Garden for that giant waste of time and had there not been a special $9 Beer Night going, I probably would have left even earlier than I did. The line of the night came in the late third quarter (right around the time Pacers were falling down by 40) when I overheard a fan who was clearly upset he paid money to attend this game say “I know Reggie Miller left, but still.”

That pretty much sums it up.

And, unfortunately, much like the first half of the Minnesota game, there really isn’t a lot else to analyze, so I’m not going to waste your time pretending there is. The Knicks drove into the paint with such ease that, five minutes into the game, the whole New York lineup was so comfortable and empowered on offense that every jumper started to go down. The Pacers defense rotated so poorly that almost none of these shots were contested, which was particularly negligent since the team also closed out so poorly that they were beat off the dribble countless times by a simple pump fake or hesitation. Neither one is acceptable, but if you’re giving up wide-open jumpers you should at least not get beat off the dribble, too.

Good teams protect the perimeter and the paint. Bad teams should be able to at least protect one or the other. If you can’t protect either, you’re just not trying.

One thing I do need to note, however, is that Roy Hibbert in particular was an embarrassment. Al Harrington penetrated from the perimeter several times only to be met by Hibbert. And it appeared that all it took to make Roy completely lose all sense of balance or proper defensive positioning was an eyebrow fake from Al. David Lee also walked right by Roy on several occasions, which were eerily similar to the many times he was smoked by Brad Miller the other day.

Of course, the most egregious embarrassment came when Danilo Gallinari drove the lane and victimized Hibbert with an insane facial. That play pretty much summed up Hibbert’s night defensively.

To be fair, of course, that play wasn’t something we can put on Roy individually since Mike Dunleavy and Josh McRoberts should both be just as embarrassed about the “defense” they played on Danilo out on the perimeter. Obviously that play was simply a collective failure to defend in the half court.

And ultimately, that’s all this game was: a collective failure to compete.

So I’ll spare you any more reading on a game that didn’t even deserve watching let along reading (or writing) about, and just leave you with this highlight of The Rooster going cock-a-doodle-doo all over Hibbert’s dome.

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Game #4 Preview: Need Win, Will Travel

by Jared Wade on November 4, 2009 at 5:20 pm · 1 comment

Indiana Pacers @ New York Knicks
Madison Square Garden
New York, New York
7:30 PM EST

Pacers vs. Wizards
1-3 Record 2-3
98.7 (26th) Offensive Rating 108.8 (10th)
106.4 (14th) Defensive Rating 108.1 (19th)
0.471 (19th) eFG% 0.494 (15th)
0.483 (13th) Opponent's eFG% 0.476 (11th)
97.8 (3rd) Pace 90.6 (24th)

Glossary: Offensive Rating | Defensive Rating | eFG% | Pace

The Pacers need a win. Badly.

There has never been a must-win game in the history of November basketball, so let’s not get carried away, but leaguewide, Indiana is joined by only New Jersey and Golden State in the winless category. More importantly, the team has looked inept on both ends of the floor.

Defensively, few people outside of the confines of Conseco Fieldhouse realistically thought the team was going to be anything better than below-average. Even offensively, it’s not like the team was a juggernaut of efficiency or anything last season — they just took a lot of shots and, thus, made a lot of shots.

But regardless of the 2008-09 team’s middling offensive talent, they certainly put points on the board. Indy’s 105.1 ppg was good for 5th best in the league (albeit at only 108.1 points per 100 possessions, which was 18th best in the NBA). Through three games this season, however, they have dropped that average down to 95.0 ppg (21st in the NBA) and an utterly embarrassing 97.9 points per 100 possessions.

A lot of this is sample size, obviously.

We’re still only talking about three games (against three 2008-09 playoff teams nonetheless) and much of the meager scoring output can be attributed to just plain old bad shooting. Let’s not let Danny Granger off the hook completely here because a true upper echelon basketball player would put the ball on the deck and get to the hoop/foul line when he is struggling, but Danny has missed a ton of threes that he normally makes. At 3/13 and 2/10 from behind the arc the last two games, sure, he’s taking to many threes. But three-point shooting is his primary weapon out there.

Fortunately, the Knicks have been fairly bad themselves so far in the early goings. Aside from Danilo Gallinari (who leads the NBA in three-point makes and takes) shooting an eye-popping 45.2% from three and David Lee doing all the David Lee stuff he does while posting a Shaq-in-his-primesque 62.8% from the field, there’s not a ton for Coach D’Antoni to get excited about.

Still, I haven’t personally seen much of the Knicks yet this year aside from the opening night blow-out they received from the Heat. So for a little more perspective on what the Pacers can expect this evening, I reached out to Mike Kurylo of KnickerBlogger fame. He’s one of the better stat-oriented guys when it comes to discussing the league at large and knows Indy’s New York rivals as well as anyone.

Here’s what he has to say. Per usual, I brought the Qs, Mike dropped the As.

knickerblogger

The Knicks  are 1-3 after getting blown out by Miami and Philly, dropping a close one to Charlotte and, most recently, beating up on Chris Paul and the Hornets. How has the team looked overall and what prompted that 40-point fourth quarter outburst that help you take down New Orleans?

Overall the Knicks have looked poor. In each of the first three games they’ve had 20+ point deficits. One of the changes against New Orleans was to insert Gallinari into the lineup. His hot three-point shooting opened the inside up for David Lee and Chris Duhon to run the pick & roll. In the first three games, teams were able to collapse in the middle, which made the team more one dimensional. I documented this on my blog today, showing how opponents are giving the Knicks the outside shot (namely Wilson Chandler) in lieu of letting them score in the paint.

Much like last year, Coach D’Antoni has his boys chucking threes and putting up points. Why the terrible 28.8% on threes? Is it just missing open looks like the Pacers 27.0%? Or something else? The personnel is just about the same, and Danilo Gallinari, who is leading the NBA in attempts, has hit 45% of his shots from behind the arc?

The team has had some open looks, but haven’t been able to get them to fall. Another problem is a lack of a true shooting guard. Wilson Chandler is not a strong outside shooter. Meanwhile, Larry Hughes and Nate Robinson are more effective as slashers. New York runs an offense that relies on shooting as one main component, and they lack a shooting guard.

What’s up with Nate Robinson? His numbers are gross?

Nate really hasn’t seen a lot of minutes — he’s just a tad above Jared Jeffries in minutes per game. I think he’ll be his normal productive self once he gets back from injury and once he sees some real court time.

How are the rest of the guys looking? Our old friend Al Harrington had 42 the other night but has been pretty bad otherwise. Wilson Chandler is shooting badly as well. Other than David Lee and Danilo is there anyone else who has been playing well that Pacer fans should be worried about tonight?

Al Harrington scores, but doesn’t contribute much else. Danilo Gallinari looks pretty good. Not only is he lighting it up from outside, but he’s shown good court vision and some ability to take his guy off the dribble — although I expect him to be inconsistent at this young age. David is great at scoring in the paint and grabbing rebounds but has been pretty bad defensively. Darko has shown good passing in the half court set, but his defense at the 5 is less than advertised, and he hasn’t gotten a lot of burn. Larry Hughes is playing out of his mind, but you know that has to stop. And be prepared for the Jared Jeffries three-point onslaught!

Looking at the defensive stats, the Knicks are currently 28th in defensive efficiency while the Pacers are 26th. Any predictions on final score? Will there be stop all night?

No prediction, but I don’t expect a lot of defense from either team.

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