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After the Pacers acquired Leandro Barbosa at the trade deadline, I was a little confused. With Darren Collison, Paul George, George Hill, AJ Price and, at times, Lance Stephenson all receiving minutes, where did Larry Bird expect Leandro to fit in.

Well, now we know, according to Mike Wells of the Indianapolis Star.

Frank Vogel is changing the rotation. Leandro Barbosa is in as the backup shooting guard. George Hill is now the backup point guard. A.J. Price is the third point guard. Barbosa will make his Pacers debut against the Clippers tomorrow. “(Barbosa will play) anywhere between 15-20 minutes,” Vogel said. “He picked up a lot of our basic offensive sets today pretty quickly. We’ll see how he’s going and we’ll adjust it when he’s out there.”

This certainly makes some sense.

Barbosa has five times the resume of Price and Stephenson so he should naturally be ahead of them in the rotation. It does, however, mean moving Hill to the point. He has always been touted as a combo guard who can play both spots. He filled in admirably for an injured Tony Parker at times in San Antonio and was so successful that their was a legitimate fan movement to trade away the more expensive, less-defensive-minded French starter and hand the team over to Hill. And these aren’t crazy Heat fans who just starting watching the NBA a year ago. No, these were Spurs fans who through the osmosis of watching Coach Popovich and Tim Duncan alone usually know what they’re talking about at least somewhat.

Still, so far in Indiana, when Hill has been at his best, he has played the two almost exclusively. So it isn’t a question of whether he can handle shifting over to the point, but whether by doing so, he will lose a little bit of what has made him the team’s best player off the bench this season and the MVP of, by my memory, at least 5 of its wins.

Then again, the team is reeling from two tough losses to the Knicks and, other than that two-game win streak last week, hasn’t had a ton of wins over good teams to get excited about. Perhaps this is the answer. There is no question that Barbosa can add some scoring punch to a second unit that badly needs it.

I suppose the only question is whether the scoring upgrade the reserves get from going from Price to Barbosa will supersede the potential downgrade of putting the team’s best bench scorer all year into a distributor role? Or perhaps I’m thinking too much like it is 1994 and positions still matter. It’s hard to presume that Hill can continue to be as willing to call his own number and aggressive when it will also be his responsibility to ensure that Tyler gets his touches and Barbosa gets his open looks. But point guards like Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook have sort of re-defined the mold of how effective a high-volume scoring floor general can be.

So rather than keep over-thinking this, let’s just see if having two guards who have proven they can score off the bench is better than having just the one. It is a pretty simple game after all.

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The Pacers lost an intense game against the Knicks last night, largely on the strength of their inability to score in the 4th quarter. Throughout the period, they turned the ball over, took rushed shots outside the paint (see this fourth quarter shot chart), got whistled for technicals, and continually committed what Knicks legend/announcer Clyde Frazier called “asinine fouls now by the Pacers.”

There were other reasons for the loss, of course: the whole second quarter, 15 missed 3-pointers, David West only taking 4 shots despite spending 21 of his 26 minutes matched up against the defensively challenged Amar’e Stoudemire, the fact that Pacers without the last name “Hibbert” shot 24-for-63 (38.1%) in the game.

But it was a shame that weak execution and seeming frustration down the stretch ruined what was otherwise a fun game to watch between two teams that have probably seen as much of each other as they care to this season. As the third quarter was coming to an end, it felt like this one was going to have an excellent finish with a playoff-level atmosphere.

Instead, after starting off the quarter by cutting the Knicks lead to just one, they had the offensive sequence shown in the video above and then continued to squander possession after possession while watching New York’s margin of victory continue to balloon.

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Last night during Indiana’s overtime loss to Miami, Dahntay Jones single-handedly cost his team at least 3 points in the final 70 seconds of regulation. His first mistake came with his team up 4 points and a little over a minute left. While watching live, I actually missed his amateurish-looking turnover (at 2:26 in the video above) because I was looking down to type a tweet about how well he boxed out Dwyane Wade to get the rebound.

The box-out/rebound sequence seemed worthy of praise to me since Dahntay had just had some bad luck a few minutes earlier when he did a great job streaking down the court to get a near-certain dunk in transition (at 1:56 in the video), only to have Dwyane, as he is wont to do, come out of nowhere to block his flush attempt (and perhaps get a little body. Dunno. Looked clean enough.) I always appreciate it when a player has something not go his way but still mentally stays in the game well enough to remain committed to fundamental basketball. Like Dahntay did on that textbook box-out to win the rebound (at 2:11).

But, yeah, that weak cross-court pass he made after panicing while being trapped bringing up the ball is pretty inexcusable. It should be noted that, had the guy semi-lurking not have been LeBron James (or Andre Igoudala), it may have just gone down as a scary-looking, ill-advised pass that ended up in Danny Granger’s hands and gave the Pacers a late-in-the-shot-clock start to their offense on a key possession. But since LeBron is a freak, he jumped the passing lane easily and took it the other way. I doubt Paul Pierce or Ron Artest get to that ball. Still, horrible decision, horrible pass.

Worse still was what Dahntay did on the next possession. Darren Collison drove the lane and short-armed a runner in the lane. Dwayne Wade finally came away with the ball after the miss and made an very nice outlet pass to a LeBron, who was running a fly route towards the other goal. Dahntay had no prayer of stopping the play and should have just let LeBron get the dunk and tie the game. Instead he foolishly tried to foul James to prevent the dunk in vein and turned the score into a three-point play (at 2:45 in the video).

With these two major blunders late, he didn’t lose the team the game, but he certainly didn’t help.

But in actuality, he really did.

Unfortunately, nobody is going to remember how well he played throughout the game. His stat line isn’t even particularly impressive, even if 11 points in 22 minutes is just fine (not to mention the best per-minute production of any Pacer scorer last night). But he did much more than that to make the second unit productive and keep an early Pacers lead from evaporating even more quickly than it did. This bench has not played well very often over the past month. When George Hill was out for an extended stretch, they were routinely god-awful. But last night, with Hill sidelined with a shoulder injury, they were productive at times.

The video above shows some of that. He ran the floor, ran the pick and roll, made some excellent entry passes (a rarity to see from this franchise over the past half-decade) and even knocked down some threes. And the pass he makes to find AJ Price at the 0:28 mark in the video above might be the best find I’ve ever seen him make.

By all means, everyone should hammer him for those two (basically) game-losing mistakes. Winning time is winning time after all and if you screw up at the wrong time, whatever else you did doesn’t ultimately matter.

But this is just the regular season and Dahntay has been a surprisingly good offensive player off the bench for the Pacers, who have had to otherwise deal with an injury-depleted second unit with Hill and Jeff Foster missing many games and Tyler Hansbrough often playing horribly.

Ultimately, if Dahntay makes mistakes like he did in the final 70 seconds of regulation, this team’s bench either needs a significant upgrade at the trade deadline or they will be in a lot of trouble. But if he plays like he did for the first 46 minutes and 50 seconds? They might be just fine.

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Could George Hill Start for the Pacers?

by Josh Dhani on February 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm · 20 comments

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George Hill is set to return to the Indiana Pacers pretty soon, and Mike Wells of the Indianapolis Star brought up an idea that Hill could be the starting point guard instead of Darren Collison. Indiana’s coach Frank Vogel even thinks he’s “that good.”

“Quite honestly as good as [Darren Collison] and Paul George have been playing, George is going to be a guy who continues to push for those starting jobs,” head coach Frank Vogel told Wells. “He’s that good of a player and we’re looking forward to him getting back.”

As far as Wells’ thoughts on the matter, he wrote that it would be better for Collison to come off the bench since him and Tyler Hansbrough make a solid combo together.

Teaming Collison and Tyler Hansbrough together in the second unit will be a positive for Hansbrough because they’re familiar with each other and it should help him get out of his season-long shooting funk (38 percent shooting). Collison and Hansbrough were effective in running the pick-and-roll together last season.

Hill is set to return some time in the next couple of days.

Who would you rather have as the starting point guard: Hill or DC?

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