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The Sports Guy is in town for the Super Bowl and stopped by what he still calls Conseco Fieldhouse to talk hoops with Pacers media director David Benner Conrad Brunner of Pacers.com. During the chat, Bill Simmons confirms something all Indiana fans should know: the 1998 Pacers were better than the 1998 Bulls.

Here are some of Bill’s quotes from their video conversation.

  • Simmons on his belief that Larry Bird should make a trade this year: “I still think they need to make a trade. I know everybody likes the team and likes the nucleus, but they have the cap space and they actually have a chance to make the Finals. I think the East is wide open … So I would like to see them do something to add one big contract or one big piece. I’m not sure what that piece is — it kinda depends on how it shakes out — but I would love to see them go after Steve Nash. I just think he would be a great fit in so many different ways here.”
  • Simmons on whether Bird actually will shake up the roster: “For Indiana, it’s like they don’t need to do anything this year. I think it would be good if they got in the playoffs, got tested, got the experience. They have the cap space. I don’t think there’s the urgency [that] it’s a make-or-break season or anything like that. But I think [Bird will] smell it if he feels like they can actually win the East, he’ll make a move. But I don’t think we know that yet because we don’t know what’s going on with Miami. It kind of looks like they’re teetering. It just looks like it’s not a great situation there. Those guys have now played together 120 games or something, and it just doesn’t look like they’ve figured it out.”
  • Simmons on Bankers Life Fieldhouse: “I loved it. I love the practice court. I’m actually gonna sneak on there after we do this interview and maybe take some jump shots.”
  • Simmons on his affinity for the Pacers dating back to when Bird joined the franchise as a coach: “I’m always rooting for the Pacers. I’m always rooting for The Legend. I was full-in in ’98 and 2000. And I still think that 2000 Finals was closer than people remember. People seem to think that those Lakers teams just walked through that era and it just wasn’t true. You watch those games on ESPN Classic — especially game four — Kobe played just out of his mind in the overtime. It was probably his single greatest moment as a player, I think. And that was it. I think if the Pacers had won that game, I think they would have won the series. They really matched up well with that Laker team, I felt like. And the other thing with them is, the ’98 team, they were better than the Bulls. And Jordan and Pippen just wouldn’t let them lose. But they had a better team that year. It just came down to the fact that they were going against the greatest player ever and he wasn’t ready to lose his stance yet. But I don’t think you can come closer to winning the title and not win than that team did that series.”

When it came down to game seven in 1998, more so than Jordan and Pippen — who shot a combined 15-of-48 (31.3%) in the deciding contest — “not letting” Chicago lose, it was actually the Pacers inability to get a goddamn rebound (they gave up 22 offensive rebounds).

But who really remembers?

(Me. I remember. That’s who. BOX OUT FOR CHRISTSAKE.)

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The Value of Cap Space During the Season

by Jared Wade on December 19, 2011 at 3:46 pm · 0 comments

The other day, Tom Ziller of SB Nation ranked the Pacers among his “winners” of this NBA offseason, largely due to the fact that Larry Bird didn’t squander his cap space by over-paying players. Chad Ford agrees, praising Larry Bird’s patience and his foresight to keep his team’s payroll well below the salary cap.

Awash with cash in a shallow free-agent pool, Bird and Morway did what they always do — they waited. And once again, it paid off. They patiently plugged and plugged away for more than a year until the San Antonio Spurs finally surrendered Indy-born George Hill. Then they waited until impatient teams overpaid the more overhyped free agents on the market and signed West to a very reasonable two-year, $20 million deal. Both players fit their needs perfectly without breaking the bank.

Meanwhile, the Pacers still have about $14 million in cap room to play around with during the season. With so much player movement expected closer to the March trade deadline, the Pacers are perfectly positioned to be major players in the trade market while still boasting a roster that’s as deep as any team in the East. Even if Indy doesn’t make another move, it’s not inconceivable that this team could be a top-five team in the East this season.

The reason having cap space, even during the season, is potentially so valuable is that teams below the cap can make trades without the silly salary-matching requirements the league imposes on any teams that are above the cap. As an example, let’s say the Magic do end up trading Dwight Howard to the Nets.

Let’s say it happens in early February and the Magic get back Brook Lopez, Anthony Morrow, the Nets’ first-round picks in 2012 and 2014, and some other odds and ends. This would put Orlando in complete “tank-and-rebuild” mode. They would likely no longer have any need for Jameer Nelson, since he is good enough to keep them winning (a little bit) this year but likely too old for Orlando GM Otis Smith to want to him around long-term. Why pay a veteran floor general $8 million when you can let a younger guy learn on the job and perhaps be seasoned enough to lead an offense full of blue chippers in three years? Instead, what Otis would likely want is draft picks, young players with small salaries, and more draft picks.

So maybe Larry calls him up and gets him to agree to part with not only just Jameer Nelson but also JJ Redick. And all Bird has to give up is Darren Collison and a first-round pick. If the team was over the salary cap, the only way they could get Nelson and Redick in a trade would be to send back a package of players (or one player) with a combined salary around $15 million. Such a deal would not be attractive to Orlando since the Magic’s motivation is not so much getting rid of good players like Nelson and Redick, but gutting their payroll commitments and stacking assets for the future. They would be trying to press the reset button on the Dwight Howard era and build from scratch. And there wouldn’t be another team in the league that could so easily assist them in doing so.

If he made this theoretical deal with the Pacers, Otis Smith would be looking at a roster that includes some young talent (Brook Lopez, Darren Collison, Anthony Morrow), a few veterans he could either use to bridge the gap from the Dwight era to the future or trade later (JRich, Big Baby), and five first-round draft picks to use over the next three seasons (three of his own, two from New Jersey and one from Indiana). Not the worst scenario to start over.

Or, in a different made-up scenario, say the Utah Jazz are floundering in February and realizing that the Paul Millsap/Al Jefferson front court experiment has failed. Like Orlando in a post-Dwight world, the Jazz would likely covet salary relief and draft picks/young talent more than anything. Perhaps they look at Al Jefferson and his $14 million salary and decide it’s best just to get rid of that hindrance to their rebuilding process. They want a core of Devin Harris, Paul Millsap, Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter. They call Larry Bird, who likes Al Jeff’s game but not his price tag. Still, if he can get him without giving up much, he will pull the trigger. Technically, he can take him on payroll-wise without sending anything back. They haggle, and Bird eventually agrees to take on the last two years of Jefferson’s deal in exchange for a first-round pick in 2013. Utah gets out of the contract, gets a pick and gets a $14 million trade exception. Two years ago, the Minnesota Timberwolves wanted Bird to give up Danny Granger in exchange for Al Jeff. In this made-up reality, Larry would be getting him for next to nothing.

Both these examples may sound a little rosy for the Pacers. They probably are. It’s unlikely Bird could add this type of talent while giving up so little. But they illustrate the potential benefits of being so far below the cap. These are the types of deals that may emerge as possibilities. Right now, every team has an infinite hope in their roster that can only comes with having not played a game yet. By March, most GMs will be looking at the flawed realities of their squads. And most will be considering some sort of move to either radically change their roster or tweak it as they gear up for a playoff run.

This in no way guarantees that the Pacers will be able to turn their in-season cap space into anything. But just because his team’s payroll is so far below the cap, it means lots of GMs likely will be calling Bird’s office.

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It’s the Notes You Don’t Play

by Jared Wade on December 16, 2011 at 1:02 pm · 7 comments

As previously noted, Larry Bird didn’t open the check book for free agents this offseason. Sticking to that strategy, he was unable to do much aside from signing one starter, David West, and re-signing one key reserve, Jeff Foster.

Among other non-happenings, Bird missed out on Nene, Tyson Chandler, Marc Gasol, Thaddeus Young, Jamal Crawford, Shane Battier and Caron Butler. Additionally he let Mike Dunleavy and TJ Ford walk, and did the same with Josh McRoberts rather than pushing harder to include him in the much-bandied-about sign-and-trade deal to acquire OJ Mayo from the Grizzlies.

In many people’s opinion, however, this is a good thing. This year’s free agent market wasn’t as over-inflated as it normally is, but that’s likely because there just wasn’t really anything other than role players and flawed pieces available. A few guys did get way too much money (shout out to Kwame) and Bird was unwilling to out-bid his competition for the few guys he did reportedly have real interest in.

Tom Ziller praised the Legend for this approach, listing the Pacers among his “winners” of free agency.

The Pacers had the rare sane, successful offseason while overpaying for no one. Indiana picked up David West on a reasonable two-year deal, providing a huge upgrade at power forward and putting Tyler Hansbrough in a back-up role he’s more suited to play. The team also retained the valuable if under-recognized Jeff Foster. But the best decisions Indiana made were knowing when to say when no on Nene and Jamal Crawford. Each pushed their price upward with multiple teams in hot pursuit; the Pacers bowed out before the market reached its apex in both cases. Perhaps the team won’t improve as much as fans would like in 2011-12, but in the long run, skipping those contracts will likely work out just fine.

All this plus Bird got George Hill in the draft.

As Ziller notes, fans will likely be someone unfulfilled going into this season given their tendency to primally lust after free agent signings. But it’s quite likely that they will feel much better about 2013 and 2014 due to the fiscal discipline Indiana showed this offseason.

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Jamal Crawford Turned Down the Pacers Offer

by Jared Wade on December 13, 2011 at 6:19 pm · 6 comments

Larry Bird wasn’t willing to offer much to sign free agent Jamal Crawford.

And Bird won’t be getting Crawford, according to Indianapolis Star beat writer Mike Wells.

Jamal Crawford has turned down the Pacers 2 yr, $10 million down offer, according to a source

This isn’t altogether shocking. Bird offered Jamal a salary that was less than half what he made last season. At 31, coming off a year in which he was less productive than he had been since 2003, Jamal couldn’t have been expecting to make $10 million per year ever again. Particularly not if he expected some team to give him three- or four-year guaranteed contract.

But he certainly could not have been prepared to accept a short, two-year deal (the second being a player option) that would make his salary lower than it has been at any point since 2004. It’s hard to believe anyone who had other offers would be impressed by the eagerness with which Bird tried to sign Crawford.

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