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Start-ling

by Tim Donahue on January 21, 2010 at 10:00 pm

The big hub-bub in the Pacer world today is whether or not O’Brien is going to change the line up again.  He has commented that the “Big Lineup” (read: Murph & Hibbert together) is too slow, can’t defend and can’t run.  This, of course, is true, but any lineup this team plays is going to have a whole bunch of “can’ts.”  In any case, the Pacer fan base is now expecting either Murphy or Hibbert to be sent to the bench.

Actually, most are expecting it to be Roy, given O’Brien’s penchant for veterans.  To me, it doesn’t particularly matter, just as long as Hibbert gets his minutes.  Roy has actually produced more off the bench then as a starter: 13.0 & 6.0 on 50% shooting vs. 10.7 & 5.8 on 49% shooting.

In fact, I think it basically comes down to whether O’Brien wants to lose with a center the fanbase likes (Roy) or one the fanbase hates (Troy).

But…that’s neither here nor there.  The real point of this little missive is to give a quick follow up to a comment made by Hayden in the recap for the Suns Game.

Hey, can you shed some light on why Jim O’Brien changes his starting line-up once every second game or so? Is there a bet on? Is he going for some kind of record? Has he got Memento-style anterograde amnesia? Questions that deserve answers.

Well, there’s a litany of things that can pointed out:

  • Granger, Dunleavy, Murphy, Foster, and Hansbrough have all missed significant time.
  • T. J. Ford and Brandon Rush have regressed.  (TJ may have actually devolved.)
  • Most of the other players on this team (Dahntay, Solo, Watson, Head) simply aren’t starting quality players.

Mostly, however, this is just a bad team with an increasingly desperate coach.  His security blankets from last year (Foster, Granger, Murphy and Jack) are either underperforming or gone altogether.

But, whatever the reasons, real or imagined, he’s piling up some impressive numbers.  If he actually changes the lineup, there’s a pretty good chance that it will be the 17th different starting lineup this season.  Through January 19, only three teams (Golden State, Sacramento and Washington) have had that many different starting units:

2010 Starting Lineups

As a second way of looking, I took the top two most frequently used starting lineups and calculated them as a percent of total games.  These lineups account for 66% of games started, leaguewide.

percentThe Pacers were dead last at 29%.

This is not something that is unique to this year for O’Brien’s Pacers.  The next new starting combo he uses will be his 60th different one.  Of the 206 games Jim O’Brien has coached for the Pacers, he has used no starting lineup for more than 17 games.  Twenty nine different players have donned a Pacer uniform under Obie, and 25 of them have gotten at least one start.  Those not earning that honor include David Harrison, Courtney Sims, and Maceo Baston.  The fourth, AJ Price, is highly likely to become the 26th different starter at some point later this season.

Basketball-Reference has the starting lineup information for all teams going back to 1987.  In looking at the Pacers history during that time, Jimmy is certainly a leading tinkerer, but he does not have the most different lineup cards.  That honor belongs to Rick Carlisle, who tried a staggering 93 different permutations during his four-year tenure.  Of course, that was greatly inflated by the impacts of the brawl (30 units in 2005) and the Ron Artest trade debacle (31 in 2006).  Bird only started 11 different combinations during his highly successful three-year stint.  Here’s a look at the year by year numbers for the Pacers:

Pacersbyyear

If nothing else, that graphic shows you just how unstable the Pacers have become over the last few years.  While one would hope that it will settle down, it’s not something I expect to happen real soon.  The talent isn’t there.  The health isn’t there.  It’s possible, perhaps likely, that Indy will have a new coach either later this season or going into next.  This pattern probably won’t change with a new inhabitant the hot seat, and it probably won’t change for some time even after they get out from under the contracts shackling them right now.

Perhaps we should make it a drinking game.

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All is ready for the final meeting on the starting lineup for tomorrow night’s game at the Palace.

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Game #11 Preview: Good Day for a Road Win

by Jared Wade on November 22, 2009 at 4:36 pm

Indiana Pacers @ Charlotte Bobcats
Time Warner Cable Arena
Charlotte, North Carolina
5:00 PM EST

Pacers vs. Bobcats
5-5 (8th) Record 3-9 (12th)
Lost 2 Streak Lost 7
0 (16th) Avg Scoring Margin -5.83 (26th)
99.8 (15th) Points Per Game 83.8 (30th)
102.9 (25th) Offensive Rating 94.0 (28th)
102.9 (10th) Defensive Rating 100.6 (4th)
48.0% (24th) eFG% 44.5% (29th)
46.7% (3rd) Opponent's eFG% 49.2% (17th)
97.0 (2nd) Pace 87.6 (30th)

Glossary: Offensive Rating | Defensive Rating | eFG% | Pace

No extensive preview today. It’s Sunday. Daddy’s drinking.

But I wanted to at least throw the pre-game stats up. And, honestly, what else do you really need to know about the Bobcats? Their offense makes even Indy’s look like the 2006 Suns and they now have our boy Cpt. Jack. That’s pretty much the only stuff of even marginal interest about this team other than perhaps Gerald Wallace being fun to watch, them having two decent, diminutive point guards (DJ Augustin and Ray Felton) and the fact that our old friend Larry Brown is running the team. And, oh yeah, they have lost seven straight games so they are probably looking at the Pacers coming to town the same way Indy is looking at going to Charlotte: a good chance to pick up a much-needed win.

Aside from than that, all you need to know is they are one of the worst teams in the NBA and the Pacers should beat them.

UPDATE: Oh yeah. This is also Tyler’s return to North Carolina. I suppose that’s interesting sorta.

Getting back to the above stats for a minute, though, are there other things you would like to see before each game? I added “average scoring margin,” aka, margin of victory, because I think that’s perhaps the best barometer of how well a team is playing in the regular season, but I wasn’t sure about some other stuff. This is still a new, evolving blog after all, and the game previews are more for your benefit than something I get a ton of joy out of doing.

What will make them more helpful/informative? You want other team player breakdowns? More stats? We have a ton of numbers. Are you all cool with eFG% or do you want regular FG%, too? Essentially, eFG% is just FG% that accounts for the fact that 3-pointers are worth more points and, thus, have a higher risk-reward potential. It’s pretty simple really. Just think of it as FG% adjusted for to account for threes. Similarly, yall cool with offensive and defensive ratings? They are good, yet admittedly imperfect, barometers of just how effective a team is on each side of the ball. Would you like to see anything else? Turnovers per game? FTs per game? Rebounding differential? Would you like me to ask more questions in this paragraph?

Ultimately, I don’t want to overload you with stats you don’t find useful or stuff that might confuse people, but we got numbers for days. Any thoughts you have on the matter or any insight into how you prepare to watch a game would be great to hear.

Comment below or shoot me an email to 8pts9secs@gmail.com to let me know about this stuff or any other thoughts you have about 8p9s thus far. We started July 15, so we just hit our four-month anniversary recently and I think we’re starting to get into the groove. But any suggestions, critiques or praise you have about the site would be very helpful, so please do reach out.

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Five Years Later

by Jared Wade on November 19, 2009 at 9:11 pm

Happy Anniversary. *sigh*

UPDATE: I forgot to add what I had tweeted earlier, which is the only thing I really have to say about the whole incident at this point:

I saw the Malice at the Palace live in an NYC bar that was later destroyed when a 24-story-tall construction crane fell on it. Apropos, I thought.”

(video from FanDome)

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Season Preview Season

by Jared Wade on October 19, 2009 at 8:22 pm

The NBA season is right around the corner. Its approach is now tangible. I’m excited. I’m giddy. I’ve enjoyed each of the past few seasons more than the last, and the upcoming 2009-10 season will answer so many unknowns that I can’t wait for them to throw the ball up.

Will KG’s knee hold up? How will Shaq fit in with LeBron and company? Was letting Ariza/his temperamental agent walk and signing Artest a good move? How will Vince and a more conventional lineup affect Orlando? Will RJ help the Timmy/Manu/Tony triumvirate win their first even-year Larry O’Brien trophy?

Unsurprisingly, everyone has opinions on all of these thoughts. And even less surprisingly, they are very willing to tell you about those thoughts. Indeed, we have now officially entered the unmistakable eye of the storm that is season preview season — that wonderful time of the year that you will get to hear all about later in the year from those whose outlooks proved correct. Oddly enough, however, those whose proclamations prove incorrect will conveniently forget that this time ever existed. Ah, the wonders of punditry.

In the case of a middling franchise like the Pacers that no longer compels hoops nation, only a handful of analysts have really put a lot of in-depth thought into how the basketball gods will bless or smite Indiana this season. Yours truly will have some more insights to offer over the next week, both in the form of a TrueHoop Network preview and an even longer write-up here. But have no fear Pacer faithful; you can wet your beaks on some appetizer analysis in the meantime from me, Sean Stevenson of Indy Cornrows and Sebastian Pruiti of Nets Are Scorching in Sebastian’s Nets/Pacers match-up preview.

Says Sebastian:

Troy Murphy of last year is what all of us Nets fans are hoping Yi can turn into.  A guy who can hit from the outside and can rebound from the defensive end. Murphy might not duplicate his career year, but he will put up better numbers than Yi.

Ball Don’t Lie was talking Indy the other day as well, and although I’m still a little upset with Kelly Dwyer for overlooking the timeout Larry Brown called to let Conseco honor Reggie for his Top 10 Feel-Good Moments of the Decade, there are few people on this planet who watch more NBA ball than Dwyer, so his opinion is always something to take seriously.

Says the man with the Twitter handle @KDonHoops:

And when you replace the combined 5627 above-average minutes that [Jack, Marquis and Rasho] played last year with … minutes from far, far below-average players in the two Jones’ and Watson this season? You’re going to have a fall-off.

In this case, the fall-off won’t push the Pacers’ win total into the 20s. But it will stop them from making that next step.

He has Indiana pencilled in for a 33-49 record.

Other previews of interest include:

Hopefully, all that will tide you over until we drop our official thoughts.

Stay tuned.

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