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Last night, the documentary Winning Time: Reggie Miller vs. The New York Knicks premiered on ESPN. And it is wonderful. Based on all the reactions I have heard, you don’t even have to be a Pacers fan to enjoy this one. I mean, some Knicks fans even dug it. (You can check out some more background on the movie here.)

If I had been the director, however, it wouldn’t have even been Winning Time. No, the title definitely would have been “Man, Did This Dude Just Did This?”

This is the exact phrase that John Starks used to describe what was going through his mind after Reggie hit the back-to-back threes that made up 75% of his infamous 8 points in 8.9 seconds outburst in 1995, which, if you’re new around these parts, is the very same sequence for which this blog is named.

Mostly, I would call it “Man, Did Dude Just Did This?” to highlight the true source of greatness for this flick: the interviews. Director Dan Klores spoke with most of the principals from the 1990s Pacers/Knicks rivalry and got some stellar content. But more than just running a camera to record people talking and calling that good, he expertly weaved the comments together to create a fantastic, patch-work, uninterrupted narrative from many different voices that perfectly describes everything the viewer needs to know.

For someone such as myself who knew 90% of the material going in, it is the craftsmanship displayed in this regard that is both the most impressive and the most entertaining part of the documentary.

Insight. Humor. Stage-setting. It’s all there. And there’s so much of it.

Thus, here are my favorite 46 quotes from Winning Time, including the wonderfully grammatically challenged one that could have made this thing a John Starks joint.

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On Reggie

Pacers play-by-play announcer Mark Boyle: “The first time I saw him, I was taken aback. The guy looked like Mr. Potato Head on a stick.”

Cheryl Miller: “He’s maddening. He is a maddening human being.”

Patrick Ewing: “He was a great con man. Ya know, he was always crying to the ref, running off, flopping. Ya know, knock you down, smack you and act like he was the one getting smacked. I … ya know … tell ya … I hated Reggie.”

Reggie Miller: “Seventy percent of me talking on the court is personally for me to get me motivated and going. Thirty percent is to see if I can get into the opponent’s head.”

On Cheryl Miller

Reggie Miller: “Cheryl was the king of the block — and that was over the guys and the girls. She jumped the highest. She played the hardest. And she hit the hardest.”

Reggie Miller: “I learned a lot form the beat downs. Cheryl’s tough. Very tough.”

Cheryl Miller: “I would kill him. I loved killing Reggie. And dad would come out ‘Don’t hit your brother’ and all that kind of stuff. But he was … just … that … annoying.”

Cheryl Miller: “I was physically bigger and better than him. So every time that he would come in the middle, I would send it back. And I would laugh about him and give him a hard time and say ‘Alright. Alright, you sissy. This is where the big girls play.’”

On the John Starks Head Butt (Game 3, 1993)

Reggie: “Looking at Oakley, I was like ‘Your boy is really, really dumb. I mean he is really, really dumb. Are you serious?’”

Antonio Davis: “I’m surprised he didn’t have, like, a pack of ketchup and just put it up to his head, and you look and you think he’s bleeding.”

Reggie Miller: “I don’t talk trash. I keep telling you that. I’m a good guy.”

On the Rivalry’s Physicality

Antonio Davis: “Against the Indiana Pacers, you wasn’t coming down the middle. If you came down once, you definitely knew you couldn’t come down again.”

Greg Anthony: “We would say, ‘Hey, we’re gonna win something tonight. We’re either gonna win the game or the fight.’”

Patrick Ewing: “If we knocked someone down, it was a fine to pick them back up.”

On the 25-point Fourth Quarter (Game 5, 1994)

Mark Boyle: “The Knicks were a really strong defensive team. And they had a nice lead going into the fourth quarter. And, you thought it was over.”

Reggie (on Spike): “You pay a lot of money for those seats … OK, you’re gonna be part of the game now … He became part of the game.”

Spike Lee: “I had never ever had any interplay with an athlete before like that. Ever.” *cut to footage of Spike and Scottie Pippen getting into it*

Ahmad Rashad (on Spike): “If you go to playgrounds across the country, there’s always one little guy who can’t play very well, but he stands over there and talks all the crap. He’s the instigator.”

Spike Lee: “I didn’t mind the choke sign, but to grab his nuts. My wife’s sitting right there. C’mon.”

Reggie Miller: “I remember going to the Davis boys and Rik and saying ‘You guys just set screens. I’m gonna make everything.’”

Herb Williams: “I think if Spike had of just sat there and not said nothing, Reggie might have missed his next ten shots.”

Marv Albert: “He had two games going. He had one with Spike. And he had one with the Knicks.”

Larry Brown: “I think as soon as he got over half court, he was in range.”

Spike Lee (on the following game, Game 6): “I’m praying to God, because I know, we lose this game, it’s gonna be hard for me to live in New York City.”

On 8 points in 8.9 Seconds (Game 1, 1995)

Donnie Walsh: “Mel Daniels started banging on the door, and he said ‘Donnie, Reggie just tied the game up.’ And I said ‘Stop screwing with me — I’m not in the mood.’”

Ahmad Rashad: “…presence of mind to not take the two — to step back and take the three. Now that takes … huge … … balls … to do that.”

John Starks: “I’m walking to the free-throw line and I’m thinking, like, ‘Man, did this dude just did this?’”

Greg Anthony: “I had never heard the Garden that quiet. We’ve had shootarounds at the Garden when there was no one there but the janitors, and it wasn’t that quiet.”

Mark Jackson: “We watched John’s eyes. And he wanted no parts of those foul shots.”

Spike Lee (on Anthony Mason fouling Reggie): “Our basketball IQ is not the highest.”

Jeff Van Gundy: “That sequence was the biggest meltdown that I can remember ever seeing in the NBA.”

Reggie Miller: “The joy of them choking, and that satisfaction of doing it in New York? John missing two free-throws at home? That’s the joy of it.

On Ding Dong, the Witch Is Dead (Game 7, 1995)

Antonio Davis: “It’s the Garden. It’s New York. You’re just so fired up. You can’t sleep. You can’t eat. You just wanna play.”

Byron Scott: “Rik Smits hadn’t said anything for six games, and we got in our huddle, and Rik Smits said ‘Let’s go out and kick their ass.’ That was it. We was like, ‘Ahh, it’s on.’”

Cheryl Miller: “Going back to New York, no way they win it. I thought it was done. I thought it was over.”

Peter Vecsey: “It was gonna be done again and it was gonna be done in Madison Square Garden … Manifest Destiny.”

Ahmad Rashad: “The whole city of New York was involved. Patrick Ewing. Reggie Miller. The Knicks. The Pacers, their arch-rivals. And it was their peak — their chance. And it hinged on one play.”

Rik Smits: “I’m thinking ‘Wow. The same thing is happening over again. We’re gonna lose.’”

Patrick Ewing (on his failed finger roll): “I see the ball hit — Ba-dupe … Ba-dupe.”

Charles Smith: “That shot put the lid on the basket for all of our careers moving forward.”

Mark Boyle: “Ding dong the witch is dead.”

On Other Stuff

Peter Vecsey: “We used to call it Nap City — probably still is called Nap City — because most players, when they get there, they do go to sleep and wait for the game.”

Spike Lee: “The first season tickets I had, I got the day after we got Patrick Ewing in the Draft.”

Reggie Miller: “Larry Brown is a perfectionist in an imperfect game. You always hear him say ‘Play the Right Way.’ During it? You couldn’t stand him. We all couldn’t stand him. But, in a sense, he was bringing us closer together as a team, because we were all ‘Hey, we can’t stand the coach, but we got to do the right thing.’”

Cheryl Miller: “I didn’t even know Indiana had an NBA team. I didn’t even know they had a franchise.”

Mark Jackson (on being traded from the Clippers the Pacers): “That’s probably the first time somebody was thrilled to move from LA to Indiana.”

Some young, unidentified Pacers fan: “I shaved my head. And … painted it.”

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Unfortunately, the game this afternoon against the Bucks was not shown on League Pass, and I missed it. Milwaukee is playing great of late so I was pretty excited for this one, too. But it was at least nice to see that Danny got to the line 11 times (making all 11) and AJ Price took more shots (7 FGA) than he has since February 6. Looks like the 32-point fourth quarter was a nice effort as well.

Oh well.

But that’s the last I will discuss that game.

Because, as we all know, one more meaningless loss in an almost-entirely meaningless season is not even close to the biggest thing going on in Pacers Universe today. Nope, that would be the broadcast premiere of Winning Time: Reggie Miller vs. The New York Knicks tonight at 9:00 pm (EST) on ESPN.

By all accounts, this is one of the best films in the 30 For 30 series, and I haven’t heard a bad word about it yet. Tim went to the media premiere six weeks ago and had this to say:

By the time the documentary reaches the moment for which this site is named, even those who dislike the NBA will be pretty engaged in the drama of the rivalry.

And for those of us who feel as though we lived through those battles as soldiers in the fight rather than just passive onlookers, it provides so much more. It is both a reminder of the days when “Pacer Pride” actually meant something and a look behind the curtain.  Even though the Pacers/Knicks battles of the 90s are almost part of my DNA (and I still have the scar from the headbutt Starks gave Reggie to prove it), Klores still was able to provide vignettes that were new to me.

I suggest reading the rest of Tim’s account. And he focuses on what being a Pacer fan means more so than the movie itself, so nothing will really be spoiled.

Dan Devine also has a nice break-down over on Ball Don’t Lie, which while very good to read, is a little more spoiler-y if you care about those sorts of things.

Here’s a (safe) excerpt of that:

There’s a lot of smiling in the early stages of “Winning Time: Reggie Miller vs. The New York Knicks.” A curious amount, given how much vitriol coursed through the rivalry between the Knicks and Miller’s Indiana Pacers back in the mid-1990s. Frankly, it’s a bit off-putting.

See, many intense, angry, tough men played on these two basketball teams, and they did not like each other. (These men were joined by New York Knicks forward Charles Smith, who has been called “The Brick Hithouse” and is also known as “The Southern Dandy.”) They battled. They cursed and fought. They tirelessly traded hard fouls, back when hard fouls were actually hard fouls. They so, so did not like each other.

And yet there’s John Starks, smiling as he talks about his experiences with Miller’s ceaseless trash talk. There’s Patrick Ewing, smirking while recounting Miller’s flair for flopping and complaining to officials.

There’s Antonio Davis, beaming as he tells how he couldn’t wait “to go and ring this guy’s bell, ring that guy’s bell,” provided This Guy or That Guy dared to drive the lane while wearing orange and blue. There’s then-Knicks General Manager Ernie Grunfeld, laughing while recalling Starks’ suspension-inducing headbutt of Miller during Game 3 of the first round of the 1993 Eastern Conference Semifinals.

ESPN itself has added a third good look at the film in the video below.

And they actually added an interesting segment on at the end that reveals a fact I had never known: KG’s ritual of swatting away all after-the-whistle shots to hit the rim started because of Reggie.

Garnett’s whole practice/superstition of Garnett goaltending shots after the whistle is pretty silly. I’m actually surprised I have never seen him mess it up by mishearing a whistle and giving the other team two — or even three — free points. Nonetheless, it’s an odd, trivial signature thing that some fans can enjoy in the same vein as the Dikembe finger wave. Ultimately, yeah, it’s innocuous and pointless. But it’s still sorta neat.

And, more relevant to Pacers nation, it’s just one more example of how Reggie was able to get under someone’s skin. We all know how he got to Spike and Starks and will fortunately get to watch that beautiful history re-told tonight.

But now, we see how he got to Garnett, too.

Video via @Jose3030.

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Game #55 Preview: Kevin Martin’s Debut

by Jared Wade on February 20, 2010 at 5:08 pm

Indiana Pacers @ Houston Rockets
Saturday, February 20
8:30 pm EST
Toyota Center
Houston, Texas

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For those of you living under a rock, the trade deadline featured two major deals.

The first was Antawn Jamison to the Cavs, which pretty much makes this season’s chase for an NBA championship a two-horse race between Cleveland and Los Angeles.

The second was a three-team trade that sent Kevin Martin to the Rockets, Carl Landry to the Kings and Tracy McGrady to the Knicks.

For our old friend Donnie Walsh in New York, this was an “all-in” move hoping to win the spoils of the free agent class of 2010. It’s officially “LeBron or Bust” for those in MSG, who desperately are hoping — nay — praying that The Chosen One for some silly reason decides that he wants to play in New York with one of his very talented friends (either Wade, Bosh, Joe Johnson, Amar’e or Boozer), Danilo Galinari, Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas, Eddy Curry and a bunch of minimum-ish-level salaried guys. (Obviously any of Wade/Bosh or Joe Johnson/Bosh or Wade/Boozer or Wade/Amare or perhaps a few other combinations would not be a total failure for the Knicks either.)

For the Kings, they got a very good (and very cheap) low-post scorer in Landry as well as enough cap room this summer to perhaps offer some free agent the max. (Kevin Arnovitz breaks down all the 2010 free agency player very well here.) Or, since Tyreke Evans is a budding superstar himself, they might be wiser to bring in one $10 million guy and one $7 million guy who can play well alongside Evans, Landry, Thompson, Casspi and Spencer Hawes. Either way, Sacramento now has a lot of flexibility and a lot of young talent to build something.

For the Rockets, they got not just Martin, but two first-round picks from the Knicks, perhaps-promising rookie Jordan Hill and Jared Jeffries, who while seen as a salaray-cap albatross in New York will just be a good defensive specialist for Houston since they weren’t trying to get under the cap this summer anyway. Aside from Danny Ferry getting Antawn, this was the coup of the deadline. Daryl Morey, aka the guy Bill Simmons calls Dork Elvis, made a very shrewd play and has set his team up very well for the next few seasons. (He didn’t do quite as well in negotiations as some people expected, but it was still a stellar move.)

More important to the Pacers, of course, is not how the Rockets play in the coming years — but how they play tonight.

Hopefully for Indiana, Houston isn’t able to seamlessly integrate Martin and Jeffries (and perhaps even Hill) into the game plan and the result is a sloppy, lackluster, disjointed effort by Rick Adelman’s boys.

If so, the Pacers will probably only lose by six or seven.

Pacers vs. Rockets: By the Numbers

Pacers @ Rockets
18-36 (14th) Overall Record (Conf Rank) 28-25 (9th)
6-21 (Road) Home / Road Records 15-11 (Home)
3-7 Record Last 10 Games 4-6
Lost 4 Current Streak Won 1
2-3 Last 5 Head-to-Head 3-2
-4.93 (28th) Avg Scoring Margin +0.36 (15th)
101.4 (28th) Offensive Rating 106.7 (15th)
43.7% (27th) FG% 44.2% (26th)
48.1% (24th) eFG% 48.8% (22nd)
106.5 (15th) Defensive Rating 106.3 (13th)
45.2% (10th) Opponent's FG% 46.7% (22nd)
48.8% (9th) Opponent's eFG% 50.1% (19th)
97.5 (2nd) Pace 93.2 (12th)

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“Winning Time” Arrives Just in Time

by Tim Donahue on February 4, 2010 at 1:01 pm

In Winning Time: Reggie Miller vs. the New York Knicks, director Dan Klores recounts one of the NBA’s most underrated rivalries in a beautifully crafted tale that centers around three Pacers/Knicks playoff series from 1993 to 1995. I saw it yesterday and it certainly lives up to its heralded billing as one of the best films in ESPN’s ongoing 30 for 30 film series.

Pacer fans will see it as the story of their adopted son leading their team to national prominence by slaying the hated Knicks.  Knicks fans are likely to see it as somewhat less epic. (And those of us who are more enlightened — and much better looking — will, of course, view it as inspiration for the name of a great blog.)

The documentary will also be entertaining for all sports fans regardless of how familiar they are with the rivalry, as Klores brings plenty of laugh-out-loud moments in a work he calls “fun” and a “comedy.”  He provides a nice framework to allow the principle characters — the players, coaches and members of the media — to tell the story in their own words, so the uninitiated will quickly be brought up to speed with first-hand anecdotes of playoff heroics.  By the time the documentary reaches the moment for which this site is named, even those who dislike the NBA will be pretty engaged in the drama of the rivalry.

And for those of us who feel as though we lived through those battles as soldiers in the fight rather than just passive onlookers, it provides so much more. It is both a reminder of the days when “Pacer Pride” actually meant something and a look behind the curtain.  Even though the Pacers/Knicks battles of the 90s are almost part of my DNA (and I still have the scar from the headbutt Starks gave Reggie to prove it), Klores still was able to provide vignettes that were new to me.

For me, however, Winning Time was even more than that.  It was a reaffirmation of who I am as a Pacer fan.  The movie, and the anticipation of it, triggered strong memories.  These aren’t limited to Reggie’s heroics. I found my entire life as a Pacer fan flashing before my eyes.

These are just some of the random fragments:

  • When the Pacers won their last championship in 1973, I was 7 years old.  I have  distant memories of going to the Fairgrounds Coliseum, but very little of the game play.  My favorite player was Billy Keller.  What I remember of the games is walking to and from the car with my dad and my godfather, his best friend Dick Perry.
  • I’m the youngest of nine children, and 10-and-a-half years younger than the second youngest.  My only brother is 16 years older than me, and I spent most of my childhood being vaguely afraid of him.  At one point, he convinced me that he kept a pet coyote (“ky-do-te” to my young mind) and water buffalo downstairs next door, which somehow frightened the bejeezus out of me.  However, my most vivid memory of the ABA Pacers comes from listening to them playing the Dallas Chaparrals on a radio with Terry in his room one night.  I don’t even remember the score, but I remember the sounds and the light of the room and the dark outside.
  • The only reason I ever got to see John Havlicek play in person is because my brother-in-law, Vince, thought it was something a 12-year-old should see.  The Pacers lost that night, but I distinctly recall the conversation Vince and I had getting out of the car.  A childlike discussion of the preceding summer’s telethon and strange, innocent feeling of pride surrounding the city banding together to save the team. Those of you outside Indiana — or just anyone under 30 — might not know, but the Pacers, once known as “the Boston Celtics of the ABA,” faced fiscal straights that would have forced the team to relocate had the community not literally ponied up their own hard-earned money to bail out the franchise and keep them in Indianapolis.
  • Until late in Reggie’s career, my favorite NBA Pacer was Billy Knight.  That attachment was formed by listening to the Pacers on the radio every game during the 1980-81 season.  This was my freshman year of high school, and it’s when I formed my connection to basketball.  I spent that year listening to the Pacers on their way to their first NBA Playoff appearance, and the Indiana Hoosiers on their way to their fourth NCAA title.  I can still hear “Hockey” Bob Lamey’s calls of running-one-handers, and cheering for BK and Johnny Davis and James Edwards and Boo-Boo and the return of Big Mac.
  • I remember a fleeting moment of glory in an otherwise disastrous 1985 season.  My brother’s best friend had a single season ticket (face value $4), and he couldn’t go to a January game vs. the Chicago Bulls.  The temperatures were frigid that night, but I was able to coax my ‘72 Cutlass down to Market Square anyway.  I was joined by several hundred other fools, as we witnessed a rare Pacer victory.  The big moment came with the Pacers up one and the clock ticking down.  Michael Jordan isolated Jim Thomas, but Jimmy picked his pocket, securing the game.  I think I lived off that game for like two years.
  • I was in Market Square Arena, with my brother Terry and my brother-in-law Vince as we cheered the selection of Wayman Tisdale, were stunned by the selection of Chuck Person, and did not boo the selection of Reggie Miller (though, in all honestly, we were hoping that Horace Grant would fall to the Pacers).  We also sat through all 7 rounds of that 1985 draft, with Terry and Vince begging the Pacers to take Tyrone Corbin from DePaul.  They did not.  The Pacers took Billy Martin and Dwayne McClain with their two second-round picks.  Tyrone Corbin went on to play over 1,000 games in the NBA.  Neither Martin nor McClain were quite that successful.
  • Over the years, NBA Draft Night has risen to an equivalent stature in my house with the Super Bowl.  Though we missed last year, I have usually had my brother Terry and my friend Alex (who has written here at 8p9s) over to watch the draft.  The year we drafted David Harrison, I was in Kansas City on business.  I spent the entire evening on my cell phone “watching” the draft with Alex.
  • I distinctly remember the look on Terry’s face on the night the Boomer was “born.”  If I recall correctly, the Pacers were playing in Milwaukee, when, with much drama, Eddie Doucette breathlessly told of breaking news back in Indy.  They cut to a grainy, Zapruder-quality video of some large stuffed animal breaking out of a box underneath MSA.  If you would like a re-enactment of my reaction, just look at John Starks’ face when he missed those free throws in Game One of the 1995 series.
  • Prior to Game 4 of the 1994 Eastern Conference Finals, the crowd at Market Square had reached a fever pitch.  If you never had the pleasure, it is impossible to describe how loud that place could get.  However, the other thing about that building was that it was a dome and the floor was actually well above street level.  Market Street actually passed under it.  Therefore, the entire building actually felt unstable when the crowd went off.  As the teams huddled prior to tip, and the crowd rocked the building — both literally and figuratively — I spied second-year Knick Hubert Davis staring up at the crowd, slack-jawed, with an expression of awe that was teetering on the edge of outright fear.

These are just the old-school memories.  This doesn’t include the many other flashbacks that dot the years of my life as a Pacer fan like signposts.  These others cover the entire range of emotion from the elation of beating the Knicks or making the finals to the Larry Johnson four-point play and the gut-wrenching dread that slowly descended on me in the hours after the brawl.  I could go on for thousands of words without running dry.

As much as anything, the Pacers have been a part of my life.  While that may sound like a life of misplaced priority, I would invite you to look at those memories again.  Almost all of them mention family or friends.  Those that don’t were experienced in the company of family or friends.  At the end of the day, the Indiana Pacers have been a vehicle through which I’ve been able to enhance connections with my family and friends, and forge new ones with those who share my passion.

There’s no denying the dark cloud that has hovered over Pacerland for last few years.  Many fans have fallen away, regrettably with good reason.  The Blue and Gold haven’t faced this much futility on the court in over two decades.

So this documentary could not have come at a more opportune time to help remind me of the basis of my connection with the Pacers.  In fact, in the midst of an ugly basketball game earlier this season, the Pacers played a huge role in enhancing the most important relationship I will ever have.

If you’re a Pacer fan, do yourself a favor, and catch Winning Time.  Remind yourself of why you fell in love with the Pacers, and what it will feel like when they finally get back on track.  Watch it for the laughs and the new information contained as the insiders share their perspectives. And if for no other reason, watch it for the opportunity it will give you to relive moments and memories with those near and dear to you.

Feel good about being a Pacer fan again.

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ESPN audiences will first see Winning Time on Sunday, March 14 at 9:00 pm.  However, those in the Indianapolis area can attend Special Premiere Movie Event at Conseco Fieldhouse at 8:00 pm on Friday, February 26.  Reggie Miller, among others, will attend and proceeds from the event will benefit The People’s Burn Foundation, Riley Children’s Hospital and the Pacers Foundation. Also, below you can check out a preview of what is obviously the favorite scene of someone who would create a blog called Eight Points, Nine Seconds.

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It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

But mostly, yeah, it just sort of sucked.

I actually dozed off on the couch pretty early in the second half of the Timberwolves game on Saturday (perhaps subconsciously forcing unconsciousness so I didn’t have to watch the inevitable Minnesota comeback?), so the first game of the weekend seemed to be, to me, a giant success.

Those first 24 minutes were by far the best I’ve seen the Pacers play so far this year.

But no matter how well you play in the first two quarters of a game, if you let a 28-point half-time lead turn into a 4-point lead with a minute to play, your performance doesn’t deserve too much praise. Sure, any win that breaks an 8-game losing streak is an overwhelming success, but it would have been nice to see the team be able to step on the collective throat of such a bad team when they had them lying on the ground so battered and ready to die.

(On average, Minnesota scores 10.3 fewer points per game than their opponents, a number only worsted by New Jersey’s 10.7 points fewer. By comparison, the Pacers are also atrocious at 28th in the league in margin of victory, but still “only” score 6.3 ppg less than their opponents. In short, the T-Wolves are really, really, really bad.)

I can’t add any perspective to the dismal second half, but the team played about as well as it possibly could in the first half. Everyone scored a ton and the ball movement was blissful. The jumpers were flowing like wine and everyone from Roy Hibbert to Dahntay Jones was scoring around the hoop.

So even if the game turned back into normal stand-around slog ball on offense and the defense started to allow all kinds of easy buckets, the first half at least gives the team some good film to watch and build off. They at least have some tangible evidence to look at and say “Hey, maybe we can actually score points if we pass well, move around and take good shots.”

Because that first half was great. It was a joyous occasion.

Something that was decidedly not a joyous occasion, however? Last night’s game with the Knicks.

I actually went to Madison Square Garden for that giant waste of time and had there not been a special $9 Beer Night going, I probably would have left even earlier than I did. The line of the night came in the late third quarter (right around the time Pacers were falling down by 40) when I overheard a fan who was clearly upset he paid money to attend this game say “I know Reggie Miller left, but still.”

That pretty much sums it up.

And, unfortunately, much like the first half of the Minnesota game, there really isn’t a lot else to analyze, so I’m not going to waste your time pretending there is. The Knicks drove into the paint with such ease that, five minutes into the game, the whole New York lineup was so comfortable and empowered on offense that every jumper started to go down. The Pacers defense rotated so poorly that almost none of these shots were contested, which was particularly negligent since the team also closed out so poorly that they were beat off the dribble countless times by a simple pump fake or hesitation. Neither one is acceptable, but if you’re giving up wide-open jumpers you should at least not get beat off the dribble, too.

Good teams protect the perimeter and the paint. Bad teams should be able to at least protect one or the other. If you can’t protect either, you’re just not trying.

One thing I do need to note, however, is that Roy Hibbert in particular was an embarrassment. Al Harrington penetrated from the perimeter several times only to be met by Hibbert. And it appeared that all it took to make Roy completely lose all sense of balance or proper defensive positioning was an eyebrow fake from Al. David Lee also walked right by Roy on several occasions, which were eerily similar to the many times he was smoked by Brad Miller the other day.

Of course, the most egregious embarrassment came when Danilo Gallinari drove the lane and victimized Hibbert with an insane facial. That play pretty much summed up Hibbert’s night defensively.

To be fair, of course, that play wasn’t something we can put on Roy individually since Mike Dunleavy and Josh McRoberts should both be just as embarrassed about the “defense” they played on Danilo out on the perimeter. Obviously that play was simply a collective failure to defend in the half court.

And ultimately, that’s all this game was: a collective failure to compete.

So I’ll spare you any more reading on a game that didn’t even deserve watching let along reading (or writing) about, and just leave you with this highlight of The Rooster going cock-a-doodle-doo all over Hibbert’s dome.

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New York Knicks 110, Indiana Pacers 103


Helluva first half, guys.

But you do realize they play two of those per game at this level, right? That’s actually why they call them halves, it turns out. I mean, I’m not a mathematician, but that’s what Wikipedia says anyway.

Wow. That was just a stunning display of great offense followed by “Wait? Are you seriously telling me this is an NBA team?” offense. 8 FGs in 24 minutes? 8!?!? Seriously? How does that even happen?

24% shooting for 24 straight minutes? Oh. That makes sense then.

I’m trying to not overreact to how bad this second half was, but I’m pretty sure I could gather up 10 former D-1 college baseketball players who have gone on to be accountants or HVAC installers or whatever after realizing they had no chance at playing professional basketball and get them to suit up — pro bono — and watch them make 9 shots in a half against the Knicks. I’m not even kidding. I think they could.

Unfortunately, that experiment probably isn’t possible.

So to illustrate just how bad the fourth quarter was, let’s just review the final five minutes (or, 5:09, to be exact) to recap just how ineffective the offense was during that time. And, as we review, let’s also remember that this final stretch was actually probably no worse than the entire second half — it just seems that way since it was at the end and represents the most dramatic, clutch-time failure. In fact, 25% of the team’s second-half field goals came in this final five minutes. Yes, that’s only 2 made shots out of the 8 total shots they made in the second half (SERIOUSLY, 8), but still.

Enjoy.

Final Five Minutes

97 – 90

TJ dribbles on the right perimeter. TJ Dribbles on the right perimeter. With 7 secs on the shot clock, Danny gets the ball on the top of the key. He throws an abysmal bounce, entry pass to Roy at the thigh post. Turnover. Terrible play.

(Al Harrington three.)

97 – 93

Danny dribbles at the top of the key. Danny dribbles at the top of the key. Swings to Watson on the right perimeter. 10 on the shot clock. He throws an entry pass to Roy on the right block. Roy turns baseline and misses a tough, tough half jump hook. Decent play.

(Al Harrington three.)

Pacers call timeout.

97 – 96

TJ Drives hard right. Ball is stripped out of bounds. Pacers retain. Watson eventually gets ball on left perimeter. Drives into the paint, where he’s met by three Knicks. Puts up shot. David Lee blocks it. Roy grabs the loose ball and misses a short jumper. Bad play.

(Larry Hughes gets to the line, makes em both.)

Knicks take lead.

97 – 98

Granger passes to Jones who passes to Ford who passes back to Jones. Jones dribbles forward half-heartedly from the top of the key area and takes a pull-up jumper from 20 feet. No good. Bad play.

(Knicks miss.)

97 – 98

Harrington misses a three and TJ grabs the board, making a great outlet pass up court before even dribbling to a streaking Dahntay Jones. Jones gets hammered. Makes 1 of 2 FTs. Good transition work. Excellent pass.

Tie game.

(Al Harrington gets to the line, makes 1 of 2.)

98 – 99

Ford goes right on the perimeter, dribble hand-offs to Danny, who nearly travels before dribbling hard left and pulling up around the elbow to drill a jumper. Not a particularly great play, but Danny turned it into one.

Pacers regain the lead.

(Larry Hughes hits a lay-up.)

Knicks regain the lead.

100 – 101

TJ gets into the paint driving right and, when stopped by David Lee’s help-side defense, tries a cute little interior pass to HIbbert that doesn’t even come close to getting through. Turnover. Terrible, terrible play.

(Jared Jeffries gets to the line and makes both after being fouled by Granger, who fouls out.)

100 – 103

Watson gets the ball on the left perimeter. Swings to Jones in the corner. Jones drives hard to the middle and tries to find a cutting Tyler. Harrington easily pokes it away and is off to the races. Pacers have to put him on the line to prevent an easy lay-up. Terrible play.

(Al Harrington gets to the line, makes em both)

100 – 105

TJ and Roy run a pick-and-roll on the right perimeter. No advantage is created. TJ gives to Roy on the right elbow. Roy gives it right back. TJ dribbles left around the perimeter and makes a really weak pass to Rush on the left baseline. Rush should have at least caught it, but it bounces off his hand and goes out of bounds. Wretched play.

(David Lee hits a lay-up)

100 – 107

Watson takes a loooong three from the left perimeter early in the clock. Misses. Bad play.

(Chris Duhon is fouled, makes em both)

100 – 109

Ford penetrates right and kicks out to Dahntay, who makes a three. Good play. (Too bad the game is over)

(Larry Hughes is fouled, makes 1 of 2)

103 – 110

Ford drives right then kicks to Watson. He misses a jumper. Shocker. Bad play.

BALL GAME

Not really much else to say.

There’s one great possession in there, which came outside of the half-court offense in transition, one good possession, which came after the Pacers were essentially mathematically eliminated from the game, and one possession that featured a great shot from Danny.

Other than that, they would have been better off dribbling around for 23 seconds and then throwing the ball out of bounds on purpose. Literally. That way, at least they wouldn’t have given the Knicks a numbers advantage on the break after a turnover or a missed rebound.

A few other notes before I unsuccessfully attempt to pretend this second half never happened:

Great first half, Danny. I can’t really kill you too much for just standing around the entire second half because of that — even though I should. You played poorly and never really got aggressive aside from that one time you did and got called for a charge. Again, you get somewhat of a pass, but please don’t ever, ever stand around and do nothing for that long again when the rest of the team — which is essentially the personnel equivalent of the Island of Misfit Toys, if we’re being honest — is getting nothing accomplished and the entire house is burning down. You’re only firefighter this team has to stop the flames. Grab a hose next time, please, so I don’t have to break out all these dumb metaphors again to describe how much you let down your teammates in the second half. I’m not creative enough to come up with many more ways to express how lethargic you looked in the second half.

Brandon Rush’s offensive acumen is so low right now that he looks like he barely belongs in the NBA. Once again last night, he appeared indecisive, hesitant, uncomfortable and, obviously, stunningly inaccurate with his jumper. If he was just missing jumpers in the flow of the offense, then fine. Slumps happen. But he is shooting when he should be passing. He is pump-faking, dribbling left and shooting when he should just be shooting. And he is just standing there holding the ball when he should be doing anything other than just standing there holding the ball. Every time he gets the ball it either stalls any ball movement there is or results in a missed jumper. He is all sorts of out of sorts, and he really needs to figure this out if he wants to continue to get playing time, let alone remain in the starting lineup.

I’m a big fan of Earl Watson’s through-the-legs drop-passes. That’s the second straight game where he has left the ball for a guy behind him like that. More importantly, please make a shot.

Tyler Hansbrough is the only guy who looked like the only big man out there who was a worthwhile option to give the ball to at the high post. He had many quick ball reversals from there and I expect he will also eventually be able to turn and face from there to add another component to the offense once the game slows down for him a little bit and he stops looking so coked-up on the court. The Roy Hibbert High Post experiment is a failure. Just stop it. No one can properly feed him the ball there (or anywhere really, but that’s a different story for a different time) and it’s not like he does anything with the ball aside from swivel around frantically if he does catch the ball anyway. He doesn’t turn and find a guy on the perimter. He doesn’t know when to hand off to a guard. And the whole thing just looks very JV whenever the team tries it. Put him in the pick-and-roll if you have to bring him that far away from the hoop. That didn’t look very great last night either, but it at least adds in the possibility of the penetrator getting a good shot for himself.

In a larger sense, Tyler is already the teams fourth-best non-injured player after Danny, Roy and Dahntay.

Luther Head is ineffective, and I’m being polite here.

This offense needs Mike Dunleavy very, very badly, despite what that 5-game win streak may have distracted us from thinking.

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Washington Wizards @ Indiana Pacers
Conseco Fieldhouse
Indianapolis, Indiana
7:00 PM EST

Pacers vs. Wizards
1-3 Record 2-3
98.7 (26th) Offensive Rating 108.8 (10th)
106.4 (14th) Defensive Rating 108.1 (19th)
0.471 (19th) eFG% 0.494 (15th)
0.483 (13th) Opponent's eFG% 0.476 (11th)
97.8 (3rd) Pace 90.6 (24th)

Glossary: Offensive Rating | Defensive Rating | eFG% | Pace

The Knicks stink. The Pacers are on a five-game win streak. The game will be held in Conseco Fieldhouse. The Pacers should win and give themselves a six-game win streak.

Thus: It’s business. It’s business time.

Also, check out 8p9s (Deleted Scenes) for an amazing Larry Bird illustration and a great take on Josh McRoberts from Russ Bengston.

/previewdone

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