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Ron Artest

True Talk from the Tru Warier

by Jared Wade on December 2, 2009 at 4:18 pm

Our old friend Ron Artest is back at it again, opening up to a reporter about the past and shocking people with his words. This time, he spoke with Steve Greenberg of The Sporting News and talked about drinking during halftime when he played for the Bulls, his hectic youth at St. John’s and why things didn’t work out in Chicago or Indiana. (via Red’s Army)

“It was all my fault. The first team, in Chicago, I was a head case. I worked really hard but still had this ghetto thing in me that I could not get out. … I could’ve stayed at Indiana my whole career, but I said I wanted to be traded. I was getting more stable, but I was still unstable and I was a bad teammate. They had to get rid of me.”

He goes on to talk about his remaining hostility towards Ben Wallace, presumably pursuant to that night in November 2004 that Pacer fans remember all too well.

“I see Ben, I’m on my guard now. I’m always in the mood to fight him. … I’ll get suspended 10 games, 15 games (because) I’ll just fight him right there. It won’t go into the stands.”

Oh, Ronald.

UPDATE: Forgot to post this video of Ron on Jimmy Kimmel last week. My fault.

Best exchange:

Jimmy Kimmel: “I have a feeling Coach Jackson is going to be delighted by this appearance.”

Ron: “He might be giving me a book tomorrow. Yeah. He might be giving me a book.”

Oh, Ronald again.

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Five Years Later

by Jared Wade on November 19, 2009 at 9:11 pm

Happy Anniversary. *sigh*

UPDATE: I forgot to add what I had tweeted earlier, which is the only thing I really have to say about the whole incident at this point:

I saw the Malice at the Palace live in an NYC bar that was later destroyed when a 24-story-tall construction crane fell on it. Apropos, I thought.”

(video from FanDome)

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Game #1 Preview: Sekou Smith Talks Hawks

by Jared Wade on October 28, 2009 at 9:14 am

The plan we’ve conjured up in the 8.9 Lab is to provide yall with a preview of every game this season. Generally, we’ll put them up the day of. On occasion, they may go up earlier. And at other times, life will get in the way and they will not appear at all. Thems the breaks, but we’ll do our very best to bring it for all 82.

We’ll probably mix up the format from game to game to keep things interesting, sometimes interviewing people more familiar with the opponent and other times just writing a straight preview ourselves. Maybe we’ll even dig up some wildcard methods here and there to keep you on your toes. For the opener, however, we obviously don’t have a ton of interesting things to say other than “Welcome back, oh sweet, sweet NBA basketball goodness.”

Thus, I reached out to a man who always has a ton of interesting things to say: Sekou Smith

Many of you are already very familiar with Sekou from his work covering the Pacers, among other things, at the Indianapolis Star from 2002 to December 2004. To the dismay of many a Hoosier, he took his reporter hat and engaging prose with him to Atlanta thereafter and has since been holding down the Hawks beat for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, blogging regularly on the paper’s Hawks Blog and relaying all the NBA news fit to tweet through his @sekousmith01 feed.

Honestly, who could be better to provide some perspective on tonight’s season opener for both the Pacers and the Hawks from the ATL? And fortunately, he was gracious enough to share some of his vast Hawks knowledge with you 8p9s readers.

Here’s a Q&A we did yesterday, with me asking the Qs and Sekou bringing the As.

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Between Joe Johnson, Mike Bibby and Jamal Crawford, the Hawks have a ton of offensive firepower in the back court — and three guys who all took a ton of threes last year (each had more than 5 three-point attempts per game last season). Do you see them all continuing to put up a lot of shots or do you see either Bibby or Joe making a concerted effort to make sure guys like Horford and Josh Smith get more shots near the hoop?

I don’t know that Bibby or Joe will sacrifice shots for the other guys, but I think their minutes (should be) curbed to the point that they’ll be forced to give up some shots in the process. If anything, I think Crawford’s assist game will stun some people, mostly because he’s such a willing passer, and he’ll be on the floor with guys that can finish (Smith, Horford, Joe and Marvin Williams).

There are two things I think most NBA players are loathe to surrender (consciously) and that’s shots and minutes. So don’t expect any humanitarian moves from anyone for the sake of the greater good.

Speaking of Josh Smith and threes, he said this summer that he needs to stay away from the allure of the perimeter and instead focus on getting to the rim off the dribble and scoring in the paint. Will he abide by that pledge or will he fall back into settling for too many jumpers?

He’s going to take some jumpers. There’s no doubt about that. But in seven preseason games he didn’t take a single 3-pointer. That’s a stunning stretch for a guy that treats threes like those old Lay’s potato chip ads (”Bet you just can’t eat one”). Well, some of Josh’s teammates have wondered aloud if he’ll be able to keep from taking just one. Time will tell. It’s obvious that his game is far more effective when he’s doing other things. Plus, there are so many other guys capable that he needs to steer clear of the three-point line anyway.

People forget that Marvin Williams is only 23 years old. And last year, he started to look like he was really about to begin making good on some of his enormous potential. How has he looked in camp and will we see his game progress even further this year?

I’ve been getting roasted on my own blog for floating the idea that Marvin was having a breakout season last year before being sacked by that back injury late in the season. He’s looked good in camp and Marvin’s always been better than he gets credit for. He’s always going to get venom around here because he’s not Chris Paul or Deron Williams. I thought that theme would have vanished a bit by now, but it remains strong.

He’s still a youngster, as are Josh Smith and Al Horford. So they’ve all still got room to improve. One of them has to move up to the next level this year if the Hawks want to challenge for anything more than the fourth spot and another 12-15 game playoff run.

No one ever talks about Zaza. But he’s got a cool name and a solid game to match. Discuss.

No one ever talks about Zaza? Where? He’s a fan favorite down here. Maybe not to Austin Croshere proportions, but folks down here love him. Some love to hate him because of his antics on the offensive end and his complaining to the officials. But he earns his money, which can’t be said for a lot of 7-footers in the NBA. (You know who you are).

Zaza is a renaissance man of sorts. He’s a restaurateur, a fashion icon (mostly in his own mind, ha) and one of the all-around best cats you’ll ever meet. His game isn’t sexy and he’s not going to tote the load for you as a starter, but he’s a valuable player here. There’s no shame in that.

Few Pacer fans — or any NBA fans, honestly — know much about Solomon Jones. Were you ever impressed by anything other than his athleticism and do you think he will emerge as a decent rotation guy for the Pacers this year?

Solo was always intriguing here. Remember, he was the Hawks’ second-round pick the year they whiffed with Shelden Williams as the fifth pick in the draft. It took me all of two weeks of rookie camp to realize that Solo had more physical potential than Shelden. He was just so raw. He worked at it, though, which is a credit to the kid. He worked on his offensive game and did what he could to improve his physical deficiencies. That’s what I want to see out of a developmental player in his first couple of years.

The thing I’ve always liked best about Solo, though, is that he’ll dish out a hard foul. He slapped the DNA off of Andre Iguodala a couple years ago and got tangled up with Dwyane Wade in the playoffs last year without hesitation. That impresses me, when a dude like that isn’t afraid to knock a superstar on his tail. I was sad to see Solo leave. At the same time, I realized he was going to a situation (and particularly an offense) that suited his talents a little better.

Jeff Teague is a guy I thought would have been a great fit for the Pacers back court. How’s he looking so far and what do you expect from his as a pro?

Teague has been fantastic, sans his 0-for-everything shooting performance from the floor in the preseason finale Friday in Orlando. I lived in Pike Township when I was in Indy, so I knew he came from good prep basketball stock. I watched very little of him at Wake Forest, so I had to do some research on him this summer with people I know back in Indy and around the league. Everyone raved about his game and his personality, and they were right. He seems like a great kid.

The key to his season will be consistent minutes. If he starts in the 12-18 range and moves into the 20-25 range as the season goes on, I can see him being a major factor for this team. The only missing piece to his game right now is a consistent outside stroke. That’ll come with work before and after practice, which he’s been putting in alongside Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford on a daily basis. That’s good company for a young guy.

You left the Indianapolis Star very soon after the brawl. How has it been to watch all the turmoil of the past few years and how do you view the overall state of the franchise now? More specifically, how do you think the team will do this season?

I did leave right after the brawl. The Christmas day rematch game between the Pacers and Pistons was my last day. I’ve been floored by all the fallout since then. Mark Montieth and I have had many long conversations about it since then. I’m not sure I’ve witnessed a more complete gutting of a once-proud franchise in such a short period of time. And I certainly have no idea if you can point to just one culprit. (I know Ron Artest is the easy target.)

Still to this day, I’ve thought that the turning point was the summer they had to decide what to do with Brad Miller and Jermaine O’Neal. Plenty of people have disagreed with me on that, including Mark (who remains a great friend to this day). I just felt like free agency forced them to dismantle a team on the cusp of something big. Once the core of that team was scattered it was pretty much a matter of time. More than anything, it reminded me what a hell of a job Donnie Walsh did building that thing the way he did. To last that long in this era of professional sports is an accomplishment in itself. Donnie held it together for so long, so to see some people taking shots at him once he left was more than a bit disingenuous to me. The brawl and the aftermath just sped up the process.

As for this season, I won’t count them out before actually seeing them with my own eyes. But I don’t have them in the pool of playoff hopefuls I’m expecting big things from.

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8p9s/Pacers TrueHoop Network Season Preview

by Jared Wade on October 26, 2009 at 7:53 am

In the true spirit of Season Preview Season, the TrueHoop Network has come together like Voltron. With Henry Abbott and Kevin Arnovitz at the helm, all of the TrueHoop Network bloggers have joined forces for a 150ish-page NBA season preview book that will be available in full very soon. I’ll update this post and include the link to the piece in its entirely as soon as it becomes available, but in the meantime, be sure to peruse the other blogs in the network for other team outlooks. And stay tuned to TrueHoop for more updates from Henry and Kevin.

I haven’t read the preview in its entirety yet, but in addition to breakdowns of all 30 teams, I’m really looking forward to seeing Kevin’s chat with Blake Griffin, The Painted Area’s forward-looking “10 NBA Questions for the 2010s” and the thrilling conclusion of Henry’s ongoing series on Wayne Winston, the Indiana University professor who has has been the Dallas Mavericks’ stat guru for the past nine year and authored the book “Mathletics.”

As for me, I naturally did the Pacers preview. (In related news, I did a different, yet similarly toned Pacers preview for Heels on Hardwood.) And aside from informing you that this post consists of nine separate sections, each of which is explained under the heading, there’s not a lot else that needs saying.

So here it is: Your TrueHoop Network 2009-10 Pacers Season Preview. Enjoy.

Crowd Says / Blogger Says

The consensus win total prediction of the TrueHoop Network bloggers …
and the best hopes of the blogger who covers the team.

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Yes We Can!

The sun is out. The seas have parted. The basketball gods are shining upon us.

The Pacers franchise is in tumult. So much has changed since Ron Artest charged into the stands. The roster has been torn down. The playoffs have become merely a fond memory. The stands have emptied. The owners have hemorrhaged millions.

To stem the tide, the Pacers need a jolt of positivity. And on-court success is likely the only thing that will reinvigorate the fan base and re-brand the Pacers as something other than a punch line. This upcoming season may not exactly be playoffs or bust, but it’s hard to believe that anything short of the postseason will remove the dark cloud over Conseco.

Given all this, it would be great to pretend that there is a nuanced range of factors that will determine how successful the 2009-10 season will be. But that’s just not the case. Ultimately, it will come down to one thing: Dunleavy’s knee.

Currently, we know very little about how healthy Junior is. Although the self-assessments on Mike’s aptly titled blog “You, Me and My Knee” have been optimistic, guys like Gilbert Arenas have previously predicted ahead-of-schedule returns only to suffer setbacks. And Pacers fans know all too well how Jermaine O’Neal’s continual confidence worked out.

But we shouldn’t presume the worst. The original prognosis was for a Christmas return, so anything that accelerates Mike’s comeback is positive news. Until Dunleavy returns to the court, however, the Pacers roster will likely look as rudderless as it has since the last time he was healthy.

Danny Granger’s emergence as one of the most promising, fundamentally sound players in the league buoyed the franchise last season. By early December, Granger displayed a dynamic, multi-faceted game that few of even his largest supporters knew existed. Troy Murphy’s newfound proficiency was even less expected, and I’m not sure even his relatives foresaw gaudy stats like 14.3 ppg and 11.8 rpg on 45 percent shooting from 3-point range.

If Dunleavy can round out that trio, the Pacers should end their three-year playoff drought next April. Many will scoff at a surrounding cast of TJ Ford, Brandon Rush, Jeff Foster, Roy Hibbert, Tyler Hansbrough, Dahntay Jones and Earl Watson. Don’t listen to those skeptics. Larry Bird may not have discovered an array of future All-Stars, but he has assembled a cast of capable role players.

The development and integration of these secondary players will make for an interesting story this year regardless of anything else. With everything that has happened since the Malice in the Palace, however, interesting stories no longer resonate in Indianapolis. This team needs a playoff appearance. Realities on and off the court demand organizational progress.

Will it happen? If Mike Dunleavy plays 70 games, it should. And if he doesn’t? Well, at least the Pacers will have one more lottery pick to build around.

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No You Don’t

A rousing dissent from a rival blogger.

“Listen, Mr. Legend. Larry Bird is not walking through that door – no matter how many times you try to find the next Larry Bird.”

Ryan Schwan of Hornets247

All-a-Twitter

140-characters of insight into the soul of the team.

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On the Record

Single best quote concerning the team during the last 12 months.

“The last three or four years have been disasters, and generally speaking, you can almost pinpoint it from the [brawl] game in Detroit. Not only has our fan base deteriorated but our financial condition has, too.”

Pacers Co-Owner Herb Simon (Indianapolis Star, 2/4/2009)

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The 2008-09 Almanac

Some key stats from last season.

If Jim O’Brien is coaching a team, there will be threes — and with good reason. Since O’Brien took over, the Pacers have shot 37.8% and 37.4% from behind the arc the past two seasons, good for eighth-best in the league both years. While those numbers are decent, what is more impressive is how his spread offensive system has been able to improve his key players’ long-range accuracy. Here are some numbers showing how four Pacer players have benefited from “The O’Brien Bump” after they started playing for the coach with the Paulie Walnuts hair.

The OBrien Bump

The Play

With the Pacers down one and 9.2 seconds to play…

Troy Murphy inbounds to Mike Dunleavy, who jab-steps, pump-fakes and then leans right before ripping the ball across his body to dribble left along the perimeter. Danny Granger moves towards Mike, takes a dribble hand-off and drives hard towards the top of the key. The defenders switch and the guy guarding Mike jumps in front of Granger. Danny catches him off-balance, crosses the ball back over to his left and steps back. He pulls up, elevates and releases the ball at the top of his jump shot. All net.

(Although if there’s only 0.9 seconds left, I suggest they just go with this play again.)

The People’s Choice

The fan favorite the crowd will be chanting for to see some action.

Tyler Hansbrough will be a rotation fixture, but fans will always want to see more of his relentless hustle and frenetic tenacity. And why not? Floor burns, black eyes and tip-ins will always trump blown rotations, missed assignments and sloppy close-outs in the popular vote.

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If You’re Watching the Bottom Line, You’re Watching This

The single biggest financial issue hanging over the team.

Between the onerous contracts the front office acquired to unload Stephen Jackson (a burden otherwise known as the “Murphleavy Compromise”) and the go-away money spent to make Jamaal Tinsley disappear, the Pacers salary situation has become an organizational millstone. But there is now a light at the end of the tunnel. The Tinsley buyout and the deals of Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy and TJ Ford all come off the cap in the summer of 2011, at which point Indy’s management can once again start making personnel decisions based on talent rather than affordability.

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Ron Talks About the Brawl

by Jared Wade on August 5, 2009 at 3:00 pm

The whole Malice in the Palace was a long time ago and we’ve all seen it a thousand times. So there really isn’t much to re-analyze in terms of the actual event. I, of course, do have some in-depth thoughts on the all matters regarding the brawl from JO’s KO and Tinsley’s dustpan defense to Stack Jack’s haymakers and the Budweiser bath, but, honestly, I just don’t really feel like going into it all right now.

Some day.

Fortunately, however, our boy Ron Artest is here, live from Hong Kong, to give us his tale of the tape.

Enjoy. My favorite part is the jellyfish shirt. I would definitely rock that. (video via Hardwood Paroxysm)

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Exiting the Tinsley Bear Trap

by Tim Donahue on July 24, 2009 at 8:58 am

They finally did it. The Pacers finally “freed” themselves of the steel bear trap that is Jamaal Tinsley’s contract. They spent more than a year desperately trying to find a trading partner for the mercurial point guard, but to no avail. So, with an arbitration hearing to formally resolve the issue less than a week away, Indiana’s leadership elected to be done with the matter once and for all. Wednesday afternoon, they gnawed through their ankle to escape and bought out Jamaal’s contract.

Per policy, neither the Pacers nor Tinsley’s agent commented on any terms of the deal. Both sides were cordial and resolute not to discuss anything publicly. This, of course, prevented anyone from knowing how much the Pacers paid — for nearly 12 full hours.

Mike Wells of the Indianapolis Star soon reported that the buyout agreement will pay Tinsley approximately $10.7 million of the $14.7 million remaining on the last two years of his contract.

When a player is bought out, the amount of the buyout replaces the original salary on the team’s payroll for salary cap purposes. It is spread over the remaining years with the same timing as the original contract. So in buying out Jamaal’s contract, the Pacers were able to immediately reduce their cap figure by roughly $1.9 million this year and $2.1 million next season. (Or, if Jamaal signs with another team for greater than the veteran’s minimum, which is $1.2 million for a player of Tinsley’s age and experience, the Pacers’ cap hit will be reduced by one half of the difference between the contract signed and the minimum.)

That’s what happened. But what does it mean?

The Bloody Stump

There’s very little question that the resolution of the “Tinsley question” was vital to the Pacers future. There is a sense of overwhelming relief flowing throughout the Pacer faithful. With Jamaal’s departure, the team is rid of the last of the players identified with the utter embarrassment that has befallen this franchise in the five years since the infamous Malice in the Palace in November 2004.

Furthermore, both the $4.0 million savings and clearing roster spot are going to be very valuable to this team over the next two years. These both give the team flexibility, and there are few more precious commodities for a team operating in such tight fiscal quarters. This move has allowed the Pacers to move forward.

But while they have freed themselves from the bear trap, they’re not entirely out of the woods yet. While the team did save $4.0 million, it’s important to remember that they really did have to “gnaw off an ankle” to get it. Indiana will still be paying $10.7 million to a player who is likely going to be wearing another uniform. That’s close to 10% of their total cap going to dead salary.

While the $14.7 million owed to Tinsley seemed particularly onerous given the fact that he won’t play, it should be noted that it pales in comparison to the $23.0 million owed to Troy Murphy over the next two years. Mike Dunleavy is similarly owed $20.3 million over the next two years, and even the most optimistic estimates don’t have him returning to the lineup before the January, 2010. And TJ Ford and Jeff Foster are still under contract for $17.0 million and $12.7 million, respectively, over the next two years.

As everyone knows, this franchise was dealt a severe blow by the brawl all those years ago. Just as much damage has been done by desperate reactionary moves since then, however.

Follow the bouncing ball:

(1) Ron Artest burns his Indianapolis bridge by demanding a trade and is traded for (2) Peja Stojakovic, who gets a ridiculous offer from (3) New Orleans, who agrees to do a sign-and-trade deal that gives the Pacers front office (4) a “trade exception” that they use to acquire (5) Al Harrington — who comes over from the Hawks to begin his second tenure as a Pacer, aka, Al Harrington Part Deux, aka, 2 Al 2 Harrington — but he flops both critically and commercially at the box office and gets lumped into another deal with Golden State as a sweetener so that the Pacers can unload (6) Stephen Jackson (who, believe it or not, was a bigger pariah in the community than either Ron Artest or the bear trap in question here) in a trade that nets a return of (7) Mike Dunleavy, (8) Troy Murphy, and (9) something on the order of $33 million in additional salary, which virtually guarantees that there is no way that the Pacers would be able to offer a significant extension for the 2009-2010 season to (10) Danny Granger without unloading the $23 million salary owed to (11) Jermaine O’Neal at that time.

Phew…

Now, Jamaal’s buyout basically ensures that the Pacers will not only stay under the luxury tax threshold this season but probably still have $2 to $3 million of wiggle room once they fill out their roster. This helps in a number of ways, the first of which aligns with the rumored Pacers/Celtics sign-and-trade deal that will send Marquis Daniels to Boston. The buyout and the resulting wiggle room makes almost any of the proposed scenarios with Boston doable without a threat of exceeding the luxury tax limit. (The popular speculation has the Pacers acquiring one or more of Bill Walker, Eddie House, Tony Allen, JR Giddens or Gabe Pruit if the deal goes through.)

That breathing room will evaporate next summer, however. With doom-and-gloom projections coming from the NBA corporate office, it is likely that the luxury tax threshold will drop from $69.9 million this year to no more than $65.0 million next season — and people are saying it could drop as low $62.0 million if the NBA’s overall “basketball-related income” drops by a scary-but-possible 5 percent.

Meanwhile, the Pacers are already committed to over $62.5 million in guaranteed contracts next season for only nine players. If you include the partially unguaranteed contract of Josh McRoberts and the guaranteed contract of the team’s first round pick next summer, they would already eclipse the potential $65 million luxury tax ceiling — and they would still need to fill three or four roster spots.

The Shining Beacon of Hope

The Pacers have paid the luxury tax in the past – and spent several years with one of the higher payrolls in the League – but they have been absolutely committed to avoiding it over the last two to three years. This financial philosophy makes perfect sense given the team’s current level of performance both on the floor and on the bottom line. Fiscal prudence isn’t exciting, but it’s a necessary quality if the franchise is to survive these rocky days of sparse attendance and apathetic public support in Indianapolis.

As the ship gets back on course, the summer of 2011 is the shining beacon for both Pacer ownership and Pacer fans. It is the hope held in the distance — the day Indiana can finally be back on track to make the bold, aggressive moves necessary to improve this franchise’s lot.

The Pacers have over $43 million in contracts that expire in the summer of 2011. These can be used either to create cap space to acquire free agents or as trading chips before the trade deadline in 2011. Given the Pacers history on the free agent market — or, more accurately, the lack thereof — the popular assumption is that major talent acquisition must be done through trade or the draft.

Thus, it will be very important to watch how the Pacers organization, and specifically its ownership, approaches the 2010-2011 luxury tax issue. Recent history says they will do what they can to get avoid the tax. But clearing salary will be difficult and Indiana will have a tough time finding takers for contract dumps. They face two separate issues that preclude teams from wanting to take on salary: (1) the declining, Leaguewide basketball-related income and salary cap structure, and (2) the rapidly approaching, much-ballyhooed and long-dreamt-about summer of 2010, the year for which many teams have been specifically clearing space to lure big fish free agents like LeBron James, Dwyane, Chris Bosh, Dirk Nowitzki and Carlos Boozer.

There are two crucial questions here:

1.    Can the Pacers find a way to avoid the luxury tax for the 2010-2011 season?
2.    Can they do it without severely undermining their opportunities for the following summer?

Hoping the Wound Will Heal

The Pacers are certainly not in an enviable position. The relief gained from the Tinsley buyout, while fantastic emotionally, is limited financially. It continues to be a step in the right direction, however. The team seemed to not understand how to cut their losses, as evidenced by the Artest to Peja to Harrington to Holy-Mary-Mother-of-God-who-gave-them-those-contracts routine.

Tinsley’s buyout may have been a blow to the pride of Bird and the Simons, and I’m sure it gives plenty of Pacers fans heartburn. Still, it was the prudent thing to do. Bird, Morway, et al, face a grueling uphill climb to get a competitive team on the floor while straightening out the finances.

I guess we’ll find out if they’re up to the job.

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Eight years ago as a rookie, Jamaal Tinsley averaged 9.4 ppg and 8.1 apg and looked like one of the most promising young players in the game. After a long-term contract extension and a series of off-court problems, however, the Pacers are now viewing the reality of paying him to not play for the team as a relief — even if the actual cap relief of the buyout is minimal.

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