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		<title>Our (Small)Balls are Bigger than Your (Small)Balls</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 21:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Comstock</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[When a coach feels like his team absolutely must win a game, he will often make a change.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I&#8217;ve noticed over my years as a basketball fan is this: when a coach feels like his team absolutely must win a game, he will often make a change. It might be a change in rotation or substitution patterns; it might be a change in tactics or game plan. What becomes obvious to the coach, however, is that he knows if his team just goes out and plays &#8220;their&#8217;&#8221; game, they&#8217;re going to lose.  Purdue&#8217;s NCAA tournament games this season were an excellent example of this with Matt Painter playing Hummel at center and forcing St. Mary&#8217;s and Kansas to use big men to guard Purdue&#8217;s plethora of smaller players. I remember Rick Carlisle starting Austin Croshere at center in a playoff game against Detroit for the same reason. Vogel having Paul George guard Derrick Rose during last year&#8217;s playoffs is another example.</p>
<p>When coaches adopt this mentality where every possession of every game becomes more important than their wife&#8217;s birthday, I call it &#8220;playoff coaching.&#8221; We saw a bit of this last night from Frank Vogel against the Knicks, and I loved it. <a href="http://www.indystar.com/article/20120404/SPORTS04/204040323/-b-Pacers-drop-Knicks-b-Change-strategy-helps-Pacers-rally-from-17-down">Mike Wells</a>,  <a href="http://www.indystar.com/article/20120404/SPORTS04/204040319/Kravitz-Pacers-Vogel-isn-t-Coach-Year-he-sure-makes-right-moves?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports">Bob Kravitz</a> , and <a href="http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2012/04/post-game-grades-the-knicks-are-hilarious/">Jared Wade</a> have already covered what happened in the game far more adroitly than I could, so we&#8217;ll leave the summaries to them. What happened in the fourth quarter last night, I hope, signifies a gestalt change for Vogel and the way he intends to coach this team for the rest of the season.</p>
<p>One of my biggest complaints about Vogel all season has been his scripted substitutions and his unwillingness to deviate too much from a pre-determined rotation.  Let&#8217;s face it, we all know that somewhere between the six and four minute mark of the first quarter, we&#8217;ll hear the buzzer and see George Hill and Tyler Hansbrough walk onto the court while Paul George and David West head to the bench.  Most of the time it doesn&#8217;t matter if George or West are playing great, their time is up. This pattern largely continues throughout the entire game, though Vogel does occasionally alter it during the fourth quarter when a player&#8217;s play or match-ups dictate that he should. I understand that this type of consistent rotation has been a breath of fresh air for the players, who are only a bit over a year removed from the mad-scientist-like rotational scheming of Jim O&#8217;Brien, but sometimes it drives me crazy.</p>
<p>Too many times this season we&#8217;ve seen teams target specific players and their specific weaknesses while the Pacers have tried to play &#8220;their game&#8221;. Watching Deron Williams repeatedly post Darren Collison or Steve Nash and Marcin Gortat repeatedly torch Collison and Hibbert&#8217;s feeble attempts and pick-and-roll defense while the Pacers have the solutions to these problems either sitting on the bench or playing elsewhere on the court has driven me batty all season. For 3 quarters last night, the situation repeated itself as Carmelo Anthony abused David West and Tyler Hansbrough (27 points in three quarters) - who failed to take advantage of him defensively &#8211; while I screamed at my TV. Any Pacer fan knows that the only player on the roster capable of guarding an engaged and motivated Anthony is Danny Granger. Yet for 36 minutes we watched him guard Iman Shumpert and Landry Fields while the team failed, rather spectacularly, to assert its &#8220;smash-mouth&#8221; style.</p>
<p>Then, in the fourth quarter, everything changed. It may have been a desperation move by Vogel, but instead of the typical 4th quarter line-up (Hill, Barbosa, Jones, Hansbrough, Amundson), Granger walked out onto the floor in Hansbrough&#8217;s place. 3 minutes later George subbed in for Jones. Instead of trying to dictate how the game would be played and press a size advantage he didn&#8217;t really have, Vogel went small and matched up with the Knicks. We know the end result. Here&#8217;s what we learned in the last 12 minutes that we should have known all along: Our four small guys are better than their four small guys.</p>
<p>While I have no conclusive proof that this game represents a lightbulb moment for Vogel, I certainly hope that it does. Bird and Morway have built a versatile roster that has the ability to succeed with many different lineups and styles of play. Last night we saw Vogel take advantage of that versatility in a way that he&#8217;s been reluctant to all season. We can only hope that he carries this new found sense of the urgency and importance of every game and every possession with him throughout the rest of the year.</p>
<p>Who knows? Maybe the next time we see Darren Collison getting posted or Hansbrough guarding a ball-handler at the 3 point line, we won&#8217;t have to watch it for 36 long and painful minutes.</p>
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		<title>The Numbers Behind &#8220;Going Small&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Donahue</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the games against Philly and LA are any indication, the pairing of Roy Hibbert and Troy Murphy could be a thing of the past. To back up his new commitment to &#8220;Going Small,&#8221; O&#8217;Brien said: “In regards to small vs. big lineup the margin is over +320 (favoring small) for the year. We’ll go with it [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the games against Philly and LA are any indication, the pairing of Roy Hibbert and Troy Murphy could be a thing of the past. To back up his new commitment to &#8220;<a href="http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2010/01/going-small/" target="_blank">Going Small</a>,&#8221; O&#8217;Brien said:</p>
<blockquote><p>“In regards to small vs. big lineup the margin is over +320 (favoring small) for the year. We’ll go with it for as many games as we can, as long as we can because that’s our best lineup.”</p></blockquote>
<p>That +320 number is pretty dazzling, so I wanted to understand it a little better. <a href="http://basketballvalue.com/teamunits.php?year=2009-2010&amp;team=" target="_blank">Basketballvalue.com</a> has some pretty detailed unit statistics that I use pretty regularly to help me understand things.  Though I couldn&#8217;t quite replicate the +320, the statistical differences still make a pretty damning case against any big lineups the Pacers have.</p>
<p>(Note: All analysis excludes Wednesday&#8217;s loss to the Lakers, unless specifically noted otherwise.)</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>What Constitutes a Big Lineup?</strong></h3>
<p>A &#8220;big lineup&#8221; is something of a misnomer when it comes to the Pacers.  Roy Hibbert is the only honest-to-God center on the roster, as well as being the only player over 7-feet tall.  The rest of the &#8220;bigs&#8221; on this team are really either &#8216;tweeners or straight power forwards.</p>
<p>Generally, when Obie talks about the big lineup, he&#8217;s really referring to the Roy/Troy combo.  For the purposes of this discussion, however, I&#8217;m going to expand that.  This roster has three guys whose primary roles are to play center: Roy Hibbert, Jeff Foster and Solomon Jones.  Admittedly, it&#8217;s a bit of a stretch to say Foster and Jones are true centers, but that is their role here.</p>
<p>&#8220;Big lineups&#8221; in this analysis will be defined as any lineup with Roy, Jeff or Solomon at center, alongside one of the other two or one of the more traditional power forwards: Troy Murphy, Tyler Hansbrough or Josh McRoberts.</p>
<p>All other units will be considered &#8220;small lineups,&#8221; including any lineups where Granger, Dahntay Jones or other smaller players are manning the power forward position.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Big vs. Small</strong></h3>
<p>Using these definitions, the Pacers have employed a big lineup for 1,202 minutes this season, which equals about 56% of all minutes. With a big lineup on the floor, the Pacers have been outscored by 252 points, resulting in a +/- per 48 minutes of -10.1 points. This is in stark contrast to when the Pacers have gone small this year.  In the 958 minutes of small ball, they&#8217;ve outscored their opponents by 34 points, translating to a 48 minute +/- of +1.7 points. This gives small lineups a +286 advantage for the year over big lineups.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m not sure why there&#8217;s a discrepancy between these numbers and the +320 figure O&#8217;Brien used in the press, but it&#8217;s possible that he might be including the Murph/Hansbrough pairing as a big lineup.  That duo is -45, which would bring the total to +331.  I treated all lineups with Murph as a center as small.  Regardless, the difference doesn&#8217;t materially affect the conclusions.)</p>
<p>Offensively, small lineups are also much more efficient, scoring 6.6 more points per 100 possession than big lineups. Their 105.3 per 100 possession output isn&#8217;t anything to write home about (league average offenses put up 106.9), but it is at least significantly better than the big lineup offense that only generates 98.7 per 100.  That&#8217;s output isn&#8217;t quite &#8220;New Jersey&#8221; bad, but it&#8217;s certainly within spitting distance.</p>
<p>Defensively, the Pacers are a middle-of-the-pack team overall, allowing 106.6 points per 100, which puts them just a hair&#8217;s breadth better than the league average of 106.9 and ranks them 15th overall.  However, the smalls only give up 104.1 points per 100, which is a rate that would put them 7th in the league, while the bigs allow 108.4, which is worse than average but would still land them about 18th overall.</p>
<p>The generic conclusion here is that the smalls would be a good defensive team and a mediocre offensive team. If sustainable over 82 games, this type of performance probably results in a win total in the mid-40s and puts Indiana in the playoffs — in the Eastern Conference, at least.</p>
<p>By the same token, the numbers say the bigs are playing on a par with Minnesota and New Jersey.</p>
<p>However, averages can be deceiving.  Also, +/- is one of those stats that is really only useful if you continue to ask questions, and there are some good ones that we can still ask.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Breaking Down the Bigs</strong></h3>
<p>Unsurprisingly, Roy gets the lion&#8217;s share of the center minutes in the big lineup rotation. Here&#8217;s a breakout:</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3340" title="BigsPie" src="http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/BigsPie.JPG" alt="BigsPie" width="547" height="374" /></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve broken these units down into &#8220;BigHibbert,&#8221; &#8220;BigSolomon&#8221; and &#8220;BigFoster,&#8221; and the nomenclature is relatively self explanatory.  Each of these three groupings remain negative in terms of points produced and allowed.  The units anchored by Foster are the <em>least</em> negative, being outscored by only 15 points in 244 minutes (or -3.0 per-48).  Solo&#8217;s groups had the worst per-48 +/- at -13.4, while being outscored by 81 overall.  With Roy anchoring the big lineups, opponents score 156 more points than Indiana, or 11.2 points per 48.  For the year, the Pacers have only been outscored by 218 points, meaning the BigHibbert group has accounted for 72% of the team&#8217;s deficit while playing only 30% of the minutes.</p>
<p>Defensively, all three of these groupings are terrible.  BigHibbert and BigSolomon each give up almost 108 points per 100, while BigFoster gives up just a tick over 111.  BigFoster&#8217;s groupings have shown a little offensive punch by scoring 108.6 per 100, but the other two have been miserable offensively, with BigHibbert only scoring 97.4 and BigSolo scoring a measly 93.4.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s important to remember that just because these groups carry their names, it is not necessarily an indictment of Roy, Solo or Jeff.  The focus here is unit — and more specifically, the big man combos (PF &amp; C).  It&#8217;s no surprise that Troy Murphy is playing the bulk of the power forward minutes in all these big lineups.  To be exact, Murph is on the floor for 62% of all big lineup minutes, and during that time, the Pacers were outscored by 220 points, or 14 points every 48 minutes.  They gave up almost 111 points per 100 while scoring only about 96.  (We&#8217;ll come back to discuss Troy a little bit later.)</p>
<p>As is relatively obvious from the bad overall numbers, there is not much good news here.  However, if you&#8217;re looking for a silver lining, you can find it in some of the numbers involving Buckaroo Banzai (aka Tyler Hansbrough).  In 197 minutes with Tyler at the 4 alongside either Hibbert or Foster, the Pacers were actually +9, with a respectable 108 points per 100 scored vs. 105 points per 100 allowed.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Small Ball</strong></h3>
<p>I&#8217;ve nce again broken down the lineups by who is playing &#8220;center,&#8221; and three groups (SmallHibbert, SmallMurphy and SmallSolomon) have accounted for 93% of the minutes.  So this is where we&#8217;ll focus.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the chart:</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3353" title="smallpie" src="http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/smallpie.JPG" alt="smallpie" width="547" height="374" /></p>
<p>The Pacers fared pretty poorly with Solo at Center in small lineups, being outscored by over 13 points for every 48 minutes. The Solo units were bad at both ends, scoring 94 per 100 while giving up over 110. (Truth be told, the Pacers have fared pretty poorly whenever Solo has played this year, so I&#8217;m going to operate under the assumption that he&#8217;s only going to be an emergency backup going forward.)</p>
<p>In 343 minutes with Troy at the 5, the Pacers have basically held their own.  They were a -8 overall, or -1 for every 48 minutes. Oddly enough, the results with Murphy are somewhat counter to the conventional wisdom, as they were mediocre (to bad) offensive units at 103 points per 100, but a solid-to-good defensive units, allowing just under 105.</p>
<p>Small ball with Roy at center has been the most successful.  Overall, the Pacers have outscored opponents by 81 in these configurations — or about 10 points per 48.  Roy has been one of the few positives on the team, but here, again, it&#8217;s important to look at who is playing the four.  Doing it for these units makes one conclusion relatively clear: Danny at the 4 is the secret of their success.</p>
<p>As noted at the top, the smalls outscored their opponents by 34 points overall this season.  With Danny playing power, the Pacers have been +118 this season, over 10 points better per 48 minutes than the bad guys.  From an efficiency standpoint the &#8220;DannyPower&#8221; lineup scores 111 while only giving up 101 points in every 100 possessions.  Both of these numbers are outstanding.</p>
<p>So, the answer is: move Danny to the 4.</p>
<p>Right?  Right?</p>
<p>Ehhhhhhhh &#8230; I don&#8217;t know about that.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>The DannyPower Lineup</strong></h3>
<p>Once again, we are hit in the face with exactly how poorly the pieces on this team fit together.  Roy Hibbert and Troy Murphy are the Pacers&#8217; best big men.  They are, respectively, the best center and the best power forward on the roster.   However, it&#8217;s painfully obvious that they can&#8217;t play together effectively.  In 468 minutes of floor time, the Pacers have been outscored by 159 points.  That equates to just about a disgusting -16 points per 48 minutes.  In other words, the Pacers haven&#8217;t even been remotely competive when they play together.</p>
<p>Overall, the two of them have played in 98 rotations together.</p>
<p>Take a look at the results of their on-court stretches together, which are broken down by whether they outscore the other team (win), are outscored by their opponents (lose) or match the other squad exactly (draw):</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3384" title="RoyTroy" src="http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/RoyTroy.JPG" alt="RoyTroy" width="547" height="374" /></p>
<p>Even worse than the negative results shown by this chart is the fat that the Hibbert/Murphy big combo has only had positive +/- for an entire game 9 times in the 34 games they played together.  They won 6 of those 9 games, with the only losses coming on the road to the Magic, the Spurs, and the T-Puppies. And they lost 23 of the 25 games in which they were negative, winning only in Washington and at home when they mounted that miraculous comeback against Toronto.</p>
<p>However, if you put either one of them at the 5 with Danny at the 4, it generates some real success.  The Hibbert/Granger big man combo has been +67 (or +11.6 per-48) so far this year, while a Murph/Granger combo has been +45 (or +14.7 per-48).  From an efficiency standpoint, Hibbert/Granger are better offensively (112.6 per 100 vs. 110.5 per 100), but the Murphy/Granger pairing has the edge defensively (97.3 per 100 vs. 100.4 per 100).  It should be noted, however, that all of the numbers are outstanding.</p>
<p>So, why balk at making Danny the permanent Power Forward?</p>
<p>Several reasons.</p>
<p>First, it&#8217;s important to keep perspective on things.  The minutes played by these units are substantial, comparable to most of the other units, but they&#8217;re still not huge chunks of time.  Combined, they only account for 20% of the 2160 minutes the Pacers have played this season.  It is fair to expect the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns" target="_blank">Law of Diminishing Returns</a> to kick in at some point, bringing these numbers back to earth.</p>
<p>Sustaining this level of performance over 70%-75% of the minutes would likely result in a team that was would win 70%-80% of its ames.  Surely, we all recognize that as wildly unrealistic.  It&#8217;s far more likely that raising the playing time on these combos would steadily degrade the result, creating a team capable of winning perhaps half — give or take — of its games.</p>
<p>Second, the Pacers can&#8217;t be too wild about the prospect of playing their All-Star Small Forward out of position, though the horse may be out of the barn on this one.  Coming into Wednesday&#8217;s night game against the Lakers, Danny had played more minutes at the 4 (549) than at his natural position, the 3 (466).  He&#8217;ll regularly be tasked with guarding bigger, stronger and sometimes quicker players like Chris Bosh, Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Garnett and Pau Gasol.  Add to this the fact that he&#8217;s a relatively poor rebounder, and neither Troy nor Hibbert even approximates a dominant inside force.  I&#8217;d have a hard time believing that anyone within or outside of the Pacer organization could see that as sustainable.</p>
<p>Third, the ripple effect exposes Indy&#8217;s lack of depth at the wing position.  Danny and Mike are the only true small forwards with size on the roster.  Dahntay, at 6&#8217;5&#8243;, is undersized for a 3, but lacks the shooting range requisite for a SG.  Brandon Rush brings nice size, but given the pace of play and the inconsistency of performance on the wing, we will potentially see a steady diet of Luther Head.  Plus, if you&#8217;re going small all the time, then Dahntay Jones will actually see some amount of time at the 4 — a position where he has logged more than 200 minutes this year.</p>
<p>Fourth, opponents must be taken into account.  The Hibbert/Granger combo got a little fat off of losing teams, getting 58% of their minutes and a +45 against them.  Even so, this story is an overall positive.  The Pacers played 207 minutes against winning teams with Danny at the 4, next to either Roy or Troy.  In that time, their offensive efficiency was a stunning 113 points per 100 possessions, and their defensive efficiency was just over 97.  And they outscored the opponent during that time by 69 points.</p>
<p>Finally, it could potentially interfere with playing time for Roy Hibbert and Tyler Hansbrough.  Assuming Jeff Foster isn&#8217;t going to return soon, a total commitment to small ball would essentially force Troy and Roy to split the 48 center minutes and never play the 4.</p>
<p>Against the Lakers, Hibbert played 28 minutes and Murphy played 27, but I wouldn&#8217;t expect that to be a common event any more.  Bynum and Gasol were killing the Pacers inside all game, but when Hibbert and Murphy started the second half together, the team was outscored by 7 points in the first four minutes — hardly a harbinger of good things to come.  Following that line of reasoning further says that Danny will chew up the majority of the PF minutes, leaving only scraps for Buckaroo Banzai (once he returns from his viral inner ear infection).</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>A Beggar&#8217;s Choice</strong></h3>
<p>Despite all of the things previously noted, I&#8217;m hard-pressed to disagree with O&#8217;Brien&#8217;s assessment of the situation.  While I can point out all of the bad things that may happen down this path, I can&#8217;t really point out any better alternatives.  I&#8217;m sure I won&#8217;t quite agree with the minute distribution between Troy and Roy, but I don&#8217;t really think that&#8217;s a huge game changer.</p>
<p>It really seems to me that the numbers basically indicate:</p>
<ul>
<li>Any combination of (quasi) traditional Pacer bigs = Bad</li>
<li>Danny on the floor at the 4 = Better than the alternatives</li>
<li>A big man combo of Roy and Troy = Death</li>
</ul>
<p>So, looking tactically, small ball seems to be the most promising way to make this particular team competitive — or, at least, less <em>un</em>-competitive — in the short term.  If nothing else, maybe just settling in on one course of action and going with it will give the illusion of a little quiet.  It&#8217;s time for O&#8217;Brien to stop shuffling and just see if he can create a cohesive unit.</p>
<p>However, I really doubt it will make much difference — at least not in the standings.  The hole is too deep, and the cupboard is too bare.  Right now, this isn&#8217;t so much a case of confusing activity with accomplishment as it is a case of having activity when there&#8217;s simply no accomplishment to be had.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3422" style="border: 1px solid black;" title="beggars choosers" src="http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/beggars-choosers.jpg" alt="beggars choosers" width="560" height="400" /></p>
<p><em>The grass is always greener on the other side of the Venn diagram.</em></p>
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		<title>Rhetorically, At Least, Roy Likes Coming Off the Bench</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jared Wade</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s possible that we won&#8217;t actually get around to recapping Indy&#8217;s 96 to 118 loss to the Lakers tonight, but I did want to at least discuss the bigger issue surrounding tonight&#8217;s Pacers game: Going small. For the second straight game, Coach O&#8217;Brien went with Troy Murphy at center and Danny Granger at power forward [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s possible that we won&#8217;t actually get around to recapping Indy&#8217;s 96 to 118 loss to the Lakers tonight, but I did want to at least discuss the bigger issue surrounding tonight&#8217;s Pacers game: Going small.</p>
<p>For the second straight game, Coach O&#8217;Brien went with Troy Murphy at center and Danny Granger at power forward (although he did sit Luther Head in favor of Dahntay Jones, who started on the perimeter along with Brandon Rush and Earl Watson, both of whom were also small-ball starters versus Philly on Monday). This again left Roy Hibbert coming off the bench.</p>
<p><a href="http://my.nba.com/cms/108078/hibbert_out_of_lineup_but_still_very_much_a_factor" target="_blank">And at least rhetorically, he&#8217;s fine with that</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I can be even more aggressive off the bench because I get a chance to really watch the game, see what&#8217;s going on and see if I can make some adjustments,&#8221; Hibbert said. &#8220;I feel just as comfortable coming off the bench as I do being a starter.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s (playing against) a group of guys that are probably more tired and I get to be more aggressive, get more calls or whatever. I can try to be more of an impact player when I come off the bench.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Is he happy playing the Manu Ginobili/Jason Terry role or is he just playing the good soldier?</p>
<p>Regardless, it was effective tonight for Roy individually, as he put up 21 points on 10/18 shooting in 28 minutes, which is actually 5 minutes more than his season average of 23-and-a-half minutes per game. And for Roy, playing well off the bench is not just something he talks about or did well tonight — it&#8217;s the norm.</p>
<blockquote><p>Hibbert has actually been more productive as a reserve this season, averaging 22.0 minutes, 13.6 points, 5.9 rebounds and .526 shooting in eight games. In 38 starts, he averaged 24.1 minutes, 10.6 points, 5.8 rebounds and .486 shooting.</p></blockquote>
<p>Tim will be breaking down Indy&#8217;s small ball lineups more tomorrow, so the only other thing I&#8217;ll add is that, while Andrew Bynum clearly feasted on the little guys, it wasn&#8217;t like Hibbert slowed him down at all. (Andrew finished 12/14 for 27 points to go along with 12 boards and was as unfazed by Roy as he was anything else — including gravity). Perhaps Roy&#8217;s presence down low could have stopped Bynum from becoming so comfortable early — and thus his game-long low-block domination — but that&#8217;s definitely a &#8220;What If?&#8221; game that isn&#8217;t going to get a lot of support given Hibbert&#8217;s movable-object D tonight.</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t know how I feel about it.</p>
<p>If Roy is going to be a part of the future, he should obviously be getting as many minutes as he can handle. But since I don&#8217;t think he is physically capable of playing much more than 30 anyway at this stage of his development (or perhaps ever, honestly), as long as he&#8217;s getting his 28 minutes, the debate may just be semantics. The defense was ugly without him out there early, but the team at least scored on the other end throughout the first quarter — for the second straight game, it&#8217;s important to note.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>Shaq, Big Z, Sideshow Varejao and JJ Hickson are coming to town on Friday, so it&#8217;s not like the match ups are getting any more favorable immediately. Should be interesting, and since that&#8217;s pretty irregular so far this year, I guess it can&#8217;t be all bad.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Jared Wade</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[These days, it&#8217;s usually more of a news story when the Paces keep the same starters two games in a row than it is when they try a new starting lineup. So why should the 17th new starting lineup of the year be any more newsworthy than the 16th? Well, the &#8220;small ball&#8221; starting lineup [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These days, it&#8217;s usually more of a news story when the Paces keep the same starters two games in a row than it is when they try a new starting lineup. So why should the 17th new starting lineup of the year be any more newsworthy than the 16th?</p>
<p>Well, the &#8220;small ball&#8221; starting lineup employed yesterday (Earl Watson, Luther Head, Brandon Rush, Danny Granger and Troy Murphy) feels a little more significant for two reasons. The first is that it was effective in the sense that the Pacers won and, thus, we will probably see if more often. The second is that with the Lakers (Bynum and Gasol) and the Cavs (Shaq, Big Z, Varejao, Hickson) both coming to town this week, Coach O&#8217;Brien might not be able to lean on it as much as he would otherwise like to in the next two games.</p>
<p>Regardless of the short-term realities, it seems that the Coach is smitten. <a href="http://www.indycornrows.com/2010/1/25/1269916/pacers-109-76ers-98-pacers-go-all" target="_blank">Tom Lewis of Indy Cornrows breaks it down</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Not only did JOB start small, he stayed &#8220;small&#8221; all game long, never playing Roy Hibbert and Troy Murphy at the same time and utilizing the extra wing player for all 48 minutes. The end result was net positive as the Pacers overcame a slow start and early 11-point deficit to continue attacking in the second half and notch a second-straight road win, 109-98. With the win to build on, the small lineup appears here to stay.</p>
<p>&#8220;In regards to small vs. big lineup the margin is over +320 (favoring small) for the year. We&#8217;ll go with it for as many games as we can, as long as we can because that&#8217;s our best lineup,&#8221; JOB told reporters after the game.</p>
<p>So what took so long?</p></blockquote>
<p>Dahntay Jones, who had what was arguably his best game since November last night, might be asking that same question and he <a href="http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/archives/2010/01/big_things_from.html" target="_blank">seems to be a fan</a> of how going small helps the team run and create match-up problems.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We can cause matchup problems with our small lineup,&#8221; Dahntay Jones said. &#8220;The tempo changes when we have the small lineup. Everybody runs. Then they have to find out who they&#8217;re going go guard. Who&#8217;s their big man going to guard? And we take advantage of that. It&#8217;s been a weapon of ours in the past, and I&#8217;m glad we got back to it.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Troy couldn&#8217;t argue with the results either, although he sounds a little more skeptical of whether or not it will always work — or perhaps he just has no interest in trying to bang with Bynum and Shaq over the next two games?</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It works against a team like that,&#8221; Troy Murphy said. &#8220;They&#8217;re a team that runs up and down. Against some of the bigger teams, we may struggle. We may do well. It worked well for us tonight.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>We&#8217;ll see tomorrow whether or not Jim is enamored enough with wee ball to see if it can work against the big, long champs. But expect to see more of it in the weeks to come.</p>
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<p><em>Michael Jordan isn&#8217;t walking through that door, but the Coach thinks going small might be the most effective way for this Pacers roster to win.</em></p>
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