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Tyler Hansbrough started the second half tonight against Los Angeles, and it sure sounds like Josh McRoberts will be sitting next to the coach during the tip-off against the Cleveland Cavaliers while Hansbrough tries to help on the boards.

“Josh was getting dominated,” Pacers coach Jim O’Brien said. “He had one rebound. We needed rebounders in there. I’m going to stick with Roy [Hibbert] because we don’t have options. Roy is going to be our starting center. We have options at power forward.”

If he is going to make the move, I suppose he has to let people know that it’s because Josh is playing poorly, not because Tyler has really earned a larger role

But in doing so, this marks the third player in as many days that coach O’Brien has called out publicly for poor play. It also makes admonishment number two for Roy Hibbert (and another for Solomon Jones) if you take the “we don’t have options” comment as meaning “I would sit that bum if I could but have you seen that other guy shoot a basketball?”

Here’s what O’Brien said about Hibbert the other day.

“I think that Roy would say – and I certainly share this belief – I don’t think he’s having a very good season,” O’Brien said. “I think that he can play at a much higher level right away than he’s doing right now.”

O’Brien wasn’t finished.

“I don’t think he’s being the facilitator of our offense that I think he’s going to become,” he said. “I think he’s a great passer. I think he can be a much better rebounder. And my expectations probably aren’t as high as Roy’s expectations.

“So even though he could be mentioned as Most Improved, I think he has a long way to go and he has a long way to go this year.”

Harsh indeed.

Then again, it is honest. Hibbert has been playing like hot garbage for about two weeks now. Even he admitted that he has been “playing like crap” ever since the Pacers came back from their much ballyhooed West Coast road trip that featured a convincing win over the Lakers and a 2-2 outcome.

Then there was O’Brien’s reaction to his point guard’s frustrations with the point guard rotation. Darren Collison had described the fact that he was sometimes on the bench during crunch time as “tough” — to which coach said this.

“Guess what? When you play in the NBA, there are 12 guys that get an uniform and it’s tough,” O’Brien said. “That’s why they call it the big league.”

Collison has had a difficult time running O’Brien’s pass-oriented offense and playing the type of defense his coach expects every game.

“He’s our starting point guard and he’s getting 30 minutes a game,” O’Brien said. “Again, any first- or second-year guy, it’s a matter of getting minutes.

“He’s getting minutes. He’ll find his stride.”

Another zinger there from the coach in the first quote: “That’s why they call it the big league.”

Honestly, I don’t have a strong opinion either way on whether or not a coach should regularly scold his players in the press. Sometimes, I’m sure it is effective motivation. Often, I’m sure it’s the same thing the coach tells the player in private so it’s not exactly “news” to the person whose name gets mentioned.

On the other hand, it sure is a curious leadership strategy.

I will say this: I think honestly assessing situations is always the preferred route in almost all situations. Some coaches sugarcoat the situation and are way to happy-go-lucky when reacting to questions from the press about their struggles. Others go too far in the other direction and take a gloom-and-doom outlook about everything even when things are going well.

To me, it’s less about the demeanor than it is the truth.

Three currently active Hall of Fame coaches can be awfully grumpy. Phil Jackson, Gregg Popovich and Jerry Sloan, while certainly all different guys with different outlooks, rarely provide and Pollyanna sentiments but they are almost always very honest in their assessments. They rarely give off the vibe that they are buddies with their players, but they do usually tell you what they think is working well while also being sure to point out the flaws of their team and their players.

Doc Rivers is sort of the antithesis of this style. He is equally honest, but there is a “we’ll work it out” positivity that doesn’t necessarily always come through with Sloan, Pop or Phil. Maybe it’s because of the age difference, but their characterizations tend to be “I just saw this … who knows if it will change? I’ll keep telling the guys what to do but I can’t tell you whether or not they’ll actually listen and execute. Next question.” Doc is more likely to tell a reporter that ‘Big Baby is struggling right now and he is lost out there in the rotations, but he knows what he needs to do and he’ll pick it up.”

While I’m in no way trying to compare Jim O’Brien to the three four coaches in this sport (with apologies to Stan Van Gundy), his recent trend of calling out players by name, while somewhat odd in the midst of what even during this bad stretch has so far been a positive season, has been honest.

But it certainly is starting to seem like he’s going out of his way to mention guys by name for some reason, which just seems odd to do with a young team. Odd if you’re Jim O’Brien anyway. Maybe a guy with a finger full of rings like Pop can rip Tony Parker in the paper and nothing will come out of it, but when you have a career record 297-312 and you’re trying to get a roster of middling talent in their early 20s to follow your lead, you might start alienating some people.

You might want to slow your roll is what I’m basically trying to say, Jimmy.

You’re being honest. And the names your calling out can’t claim they don’t deserve to be called out. But perhaps you’re being too honest.

You had a good thing going for the month of November and you had a roster full of players who looked fully committed to the defensive system you implemented. If we’re going to stick to the honesty theme here, that was pretty much only reason you were winning games and starting to become a “league pass” darling for media folks, most of whom have been increasingly interested in watching games involving a franchise they had not cared about in at least three years. The offensive system you’re trying to get these guys to execute has not been effective. But you already know this.

Look, I’m not an Xs and Os genius by any stretch of the imagination. But if the defensive effort — the current keystone to any success this team has had this season — starts to wane even a little bit, this whole 11-13 thing might actually look pretty good come January 1 instead of making us think the team is going through a temporary slump against good competition.

That’s real talk, Coach.

I know you can appreciate that.

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Breaking Down Andrew Bogut’s Tip-In

by Jared Wade on December 9, 2010 at 12:10 pm · 5 comments

Sebastian Pruiti did a quick breakdown of the Bogut tip-in last night over at NBA Playbook. Again, more than anything, I believe this was just a really, really, really good play by the Bucks. Luc Mbah a Moute’s pass was picture perfect, Brandon Jennings set a great screen and even though Jeff Foster was able to recover and challenge the finish, Andrew Bogut simply elevated and guided the ball through the hoop with precision.

You couldn’t draw it up any prettier. And you probably couldn’t replicate the execution.

Pruiti does take issue with the defensive strategy, however, primarily questioning the team’s decision to not either (a) play zone, or (b) put the 7’2″ Roy Hibbert beneath the hoop to protect the cup.

the Pacers didn’t think it was important to protect the rim with their big man.  Jim O’Brien would much rather have him on the basketball trying to bother the pass.  Now, I agree with the philosophy of having a big man defending the inbounds pass when it is obvious that the inbounder is going to make a pass to a shooter on the outside.  There, a center’s length can bother the pass, cause the pass to be off the mark, and maybe force a miss.

But when it is painfully obvious that there is going to be a lob play (less than 1 second left), why do coaches insist on having their centers play 45 feet away from the rim?  Their reasoning is that they want to bother the pass, but do centers really have that much of an effect?  Andrew Bogut and Brandon Jennings both said they practice this play every day, and presumably the same guy is practicing the actual pass over and over, so is a center there really going to effect him?  I personally think that a center standing at the rim (remember, because the ball [isn't] in play, defensive three seconds isn’t a factor) bothers the pass more than if he [is] covering the inbounder.

In this situation, I understand why Jim O’Brien would put Foster, a guy who is theoretically the team’s best one-on-one post defender, on Bogut. But with 0.5 seconds left, you do know that they are probably going to try a lob. If the ball is likely headed to the rim, Foster’s better quickness at fighting through screens is less important since Roy could easily just stand closer to the rim and “play the ball” more so than the man. Why not just plant him below the hoop and let Hibbert volleyball spike away any pass that may be headed towards the rim?

Devil’s advocate part two, however, are we really sure that, even this season, Roy can be trusted not to foul there? Foster stayed with Bogut and challenged the shot — he just couldn’t elevate with the Australian. But he did manage not to foul, which is pretty major there.

Ultimately, this is a play that probably won’t work more than 10% of the time simply because everything has to go perfectly. By fouling while trying to protect the rim, you allow them to win the game without everything going perfectly. That would probably be even more heart-breaking. At least this way you can dop your cap to the opponent and say “Fantastic work, sir” rather than kicking yourself.

Also, I have to think that putting a 7’2″ guy in front of the passer can potentially disrupt the pass more so than putting a 6’10″ guy in front of him — no matter how many times the guy has practiced the throw in an empty gym. Maybe putting the smaller Solomon Jones on the inbounder has the same effect, but I think it’s just good strategy to put one of your tallest guys on the ball. One more way to help ensure everything doesn’t go perfectly.

I do like the zone idea though, I think.

Maybe next time they can try that.

And then when the inbounds pass goes to a guard on the perimeter and he hits a Derek Fisher-style prayer, we can question the logic of not protecting the outside.

In conclusion, helluva play, Scott Skiles.

UPDATE: Henry Abbott of TrueHoop talked about this play with basketball smart guy David Thorpe, who was mostly perturbed with the fact that Foster was sticking too close to Bogut even before the screen, as if the proposition of the 7-footer catching and shooting from 18 feet was a big threat.

I called David Thorpe to ask him what he would have had Jeff Foster, Hibbert’s replacement, do on this play. It’s tough to keep a seven-footer like Bogut from getting a hand up by the rim.

His response is that Foster made a glaring error in his starting position, before the ball is even inbounded: “The whole team looks more concerned about the catch-and-shoot. See how they’re hugging their guys, all over the court? The last thing you want to give up is a seven-footer — and not just any seven-footer, but a former top overall pick — at the rim. He’s hugging Bogut 18-feet from the hoop, but what’s the threat there? The real threat is at the rim.”

Foster made himself easy to back-screen, because it was clear the whole time exactly where he would be — attached to Bogut. And the screen prevented him from having the freedom and timing to elevate and meet the ball.

Food for thought.

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The team is 24th in the league in fast-break points so far, according to Coach Jim O’Brien — and that’s not going to cut it. Moreover, it’s not strategy that has a team that has for the past three years played at a rate of 97.1 possessions per game (2009-10), 96.5 possessions (’08-09) and 97.7 possession (’07-08) only getting 94.1 possessions a night this season.

The problem is that the Pacers players are not executing, says the coach.

“We have one big (man) that’s running to the front of the rim, and that’s Solomon Jones. Roy Hibbert, Josh McRoberts (and) Tyler Hansbrough are not committed to running to the front of the rim and, as a result, we are not in position to get the type of points we want to get early in the shot clock.”

Starting point guard Darren Collison, O’Brien said, is pushing the ball correctly but needs to keep the ball in the middle of the court. Last year, Collison played for New Orleans, which runs a sideline fast break, something the Pacers don’t.

“We are not getting guys who are persistent and mentally tough to run and run consistently,” O’Brien said. “If you can’t get the basketball in the lane, reverse the ball and move constantly.

“Mike Dunleavy and Brandon Rush do it consistently. If everybody moved like them and ran like them, we’d be fine.”

I personally expected Darren Collison to make a little more of a splash early on this season. His quickness in the open court and ability to get by his defender, particularly when aided by an offense that keeps shooters on the wings, were skills I expected to quickly translate into production. It has been difficult to pinpoint exactly why that hasn’t always been the case. Thus, I have figured that it has mostly been the expected learning curve issues with him trying to get comfortable in the offense and balance his floor general responsibilities with his freelancing abilities. (Don’t get me wrong — DC has been more than adequate so far. He just hasn’t had the same impact on the offense that I expected immediately. His defense on the other hand, especially in the pick-and-roll, has been rather bad. We’ll discuss this later.)

In that sense, it is at least helpful to hear the coach note one technical aspect in which he thinks his point guard is faltering. The best part is that this seems like a very fixable issue. Darren’s learned habits tell him to push the ball up the sideline since that’s how he was taught last year. Now he is supposed to go middle. Pretty easy solution to that problem. (I will note, however, that I have actually been quite fond of how Darren receives outlet passes. Josh McRoberts in particular has gotten the ball from the rebound to the attack very adeptly and I think a large part of that has been Darren’s ability to make himself clearly open for a pass while already moving up the court. Most of the times that I’ve noted this as a positive, DC has caught the ball near the back court hashmark. Maybe he can keep doing this and then dart middle? Or maybe he shouldn’t be doing this at all and my affinity for it is something that O’Brien does not share? I dunno. I’ll watch some tape and get back to you.)

As for the other guys?

Well, they’ve been here for at least a year. We can give Tyler a slight pass for botching the running lanes perhaps since he’s still so inexperienced due to his vertigo, but not on the effort to simply run. His relentless effort is supposed to be considered a skill. I’m basing this on Jimmy’s quote, not necessarily my own experience watching him run, but if the coach is going to call you out in the paper for not running when you’re paid to be a runner, that certainly doesn’t bode well for his assessment of what you’re bringing to the transition game.

Same goes for Josh.

Lastly, nice little feathers for Solomon and Brandon’s caps. (Also, kinda weird that there’s no mention of Danny here. Weirder still that he references all six players he mentions in that passage by both their first and last names.)

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Poor shooting overall and some serious ball control issues against Milwaukee last Friday notwithstanding, Roy Hibbert is having a fine season. Josh McRoberts, aside from a tough game during a blowout win against Philly, has also played well in somewhat limited minutes. Even Tyler Hansbrough, who is still a rookie experience-wise, has been a decent spark-plug off the bench in the moments when he isn’t getting lost on defense.

Other than that, the Pacers have some serious big man issues.

We all knew James Posey would see some time at the four. So far, he has given the team nothing in terms of actual production. Danny Granger will likely see some more time at PF as well. We knew this would happen after Troy Murphy was traded away and no outside replacement was brought in, but I think we also know that even Jim O’Brien doesn’t think this is a viable long-term solution.

Then there is Solomon Jones. Who has been a disaster.

In 58 minutes so far this season, he has 3 rebounds, 10 points, 0 blocked shots and 14 personal fouls. Not only is that not helping the team win, it is directly increasing the chances that the Pacers will lose. The guy has been a pretty good shot-blocker the past two seasons, so expect his blocks-per-minute totals to revert back to the mean before much longer. But the rest of the stuff is likely going to stay ugly. He has never shown any ability to rebound or put points on the board when given minutes since he entered the NBA in 2006.

And thus we delve into one of the key storylines of the early season: the Pacers simply have a lot of trouble competing when Roy Hibbert is not on the floor.

Overall, Indiana has outscored its opponent by 32 points when Hibbert is in the game. When he sits? The team has been outscored by 59. If Roy had played exactly 50% of the minutes possible, that +32/-59 disparity would be bad enough. But the big fella, free from the minute-restriction shackles that his conditioning and foul-prone ways have imposed in the past (not to mention O’Brien at times), has played 166 of the total 240 minutes of the Pacers seasons thus far — meaning he has been playing for nearly 70% of all game action.

What are the Pacers to do presuming Jeff Foster is not going to be ready to fill in any time real soon and Solomon Jones isn’t going to turn into Connie Hawkins even sooner?

Given the fact that they have a 15-man roster, it would seem as though making a move for the now-available (and former Pacers first-round draft pick) Erick Dampier might not be possible. Considering he reportedly might want to head to Toronto, it might be even less possible.

Still, the three-man rotation of Hibbert, McRoberts and Hansbrough doesn’t seem like nearly enough. So whether or not Dampier himself is a actually viable option to scoop off the free agent pile, it seems clear that Indiana needs someone like Dampier to mop up the minutes that Roy is off the court with unspectacular, but serviceable play.

Dampier would immediately be the most imposing defender the Pacers could put in the paint. He would also be their best rebounder. Of all NBA centers last year, Dampier ranked 22nd in overall rebounding percentage (the percentage of available rebounds a player grabbed while he was on the floor). Such a ranking — nor his actual percentage of 17.9% — is not going to blow anyone away. But compared to Roy Hibbert’s woeful 12.4% — good for 74th last year … among centers — that part of the game would likely improve when Dampier was spelling Roy.

Again, I don’t think the Pacers have a legitimate chance to sign Dampier.

But it is increasingly starting to seem like the team may have to use one of its expiring contracts to acquire a back-up center if they actually do want to make a serious run at the playoffs this year. That may not be the best course of action, but it’s hard to see the Pacers scaring any other team with a big man rotation consisting solely of Roy, two inexperienced PFs, Solomon Jones, perhaps a refurbished Jeff Foster and a couple of SFs playing out of position (Danny and Posey).

And, yes, I know they have only played five games.

But barring a major evolution by both Josh and Tyler really soon, do you see anything changing in the near future?

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