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Brandon Rush Instigating a Dork Fight

by Jared Wade on April 2, 2010 at 2:55 pm · 0 comments

Last week, John Hollinger noted that Brandon Rush will likely end this season as one of the worst NBA players to ever lead his team in minutes. Aside from Bruce Bowen and Jason Collins, who he rightfully points out as superior defenders, Brandon’s 9.97 PER (player efficiency rating, an advanced stat created by Hollinger) will make him the only player to lead his team in minutes with a single-digit PER. (For reference, a 15.0 PER is exactly NBA average.)

This, really, is all Hollinger was saying. He did drop a line that “[Rush will] claim the dubious distinction of being the worst player ever to lead his team in minutes,” but the word “worst” in that sentence is likely just blunt Hollinger shorthand for “worst under this metric of defining a player’s worth.” If you talked with the man, I’m sure he would readily admit that he hasn’t watched a ton of Pacers games this season. Very few people who have no connection to this team have. They’re just not very watchable.

Meanwhile, as Indy Cornrows points out, another stat-head has seemingly lept up like a knight in shining armor to defend Brandon’s honor. Wayne Winston, who spent years employed by the Mavericks as Mark Cuban’s right-hand man for advanced stat knowledge, states that under his preferred system, adjusted +/-, Rush has more worth.

Specifically, he has more worth than Troy Murphy.

Rush has an Adjusted +/- of around 0 and Murphy has a -7 Adjusted +/- which means  we estimate that Troy Murphy in for 48 minutes is 7 points worse than an average NBA player. So we believe Murphy must be doing some bad things that do not show up in the box score and in all likelihood Rush does many good things that do not show up in the box score.  Jim O’Brien must also believe that Rush has “hidden virtues.”

He goes on to note that the Pacers play better when Danny is on the floor with Brandon than they do when he is on the floor with … you guessed it … Murphy.

For exmaple, [sic] we find that when Granger is in the Pacers play 2 points per game worse with Murphy in than Rush in.  When Hibbert is in, the Pacers are 12 points per game better with Murphy out than with Rush out. A bad PER does not necessarily mean you hurt the team and a good PER does not imply that you surely help the team!

Interesting stuff. And stuff that definitely adds some more nuance to Brandon’s statistical contributions to the team.

What Winston doesn’t take the time to point out, however, is a player’s adjusted +/- over a single season can often be misleading. The Mavs themselves learned this the hard way, as I heard Mark Cuban himself say twice at this year’s MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, aka Dorkapolloza. (Here is one of the panels I covered there.)

Cuban overvalued a young Evan Eschmeyer at one point based on his high adjusted +/- numbers, signing him to a deal that later turned out to be way more than Eschmeyer was worth. After that — and just with a lot more experience, evidence and understanding acquired over the years — Cuban said that he now values the insights shown by adjusted +/- over multiple seasons in his decision making a lot more so than anything it can turn up in  single season. Essentially, for Cuban, seeing a good adjusted +/- number for one year is like having a hypothesis. Seeing it recur over several seasons starts to give you a theory.

As a billionaire, it comes as little shock that Cuban prefers to make decisions based on theories rather than hypotheses.

And in addition to that, Cuban also has about a million other metrics — many of which are gathered through proprietary means and don’t exist in the public domain — he uses to cross-reference findings to see if something like a negative PER is an outlier. Does it match with adjusted +/-? Does it sync up with other defensive metrics, like the opposing team’s FG% while a player is on the court? Does it look similar to what you see on that players customized Synergy Sports video channel? Does it align with any of the other likely-amazing metrics to evaluate a player that I have never even heard of?

Getting back to Winston … let’s just remember that he really isn’t saying that he thinks Brandon is great. His main point is merely that Troy Murphy is worse. And more than even caring one way or the other about these two players, he seems to mainly be advocating that this is one time when adjusted +/- tells a better story than PER.

In other words, this feels more like a statistician pissing contest than it does a nugget of enlightenment for Pacers fans.

In his short response to Hollinger, Winston may have used better gravitas to state his case than did John, who I imagine many Pacers fans think overstated his case when he brought the word “worst” into the equation. But, as with most all of us who talk flippantly on the internet about the NBA, Winston isn’t exactly above being a little overly blunt himself.

Here are some of his previous thoughts on Murphy:

In an interview with True Hoop I said Troy Murphy had done little to help his team. I apologize. I should have said that with Golden State he had done little to help his team (average rating of -8 points in his last 4 years with Golden State). But in the last two years with Indiana he has improved to the level of an average NBA player(which is very good indeed). Kudos to Troy and the Pacers coaching staff for this improvement. It is rare to see such an amazing improvement during the middle of a player’s career,

There is a good deal of sarcasm in there if you didn’t notice.

Basically, Winston’s preferred adjusted +/- system of analysis finds that Troy Murphy is very bad. John Hollinger’s preferred PER system of analysis finds that Troy is pretty good. Winston’s adjusted +/- finds Brandon Rush to be decidedly average. Hollinger’s PER finds Brandon to be very bad.

Ultimately, what we really have here is John Holinger saying, “Statistically, Brandon Rush sucks.” And Wayne Winston’s response is, “Yeah, well, statistically, Troy Murphy sucks more.”

No offense to either man, both of whom I think are invaluable basketball minds to the NBA community, but we’re not exactly looking at a Plato’s Republic-level debate here. We just have two guys pointing out what their preferred systems of statistical analysis says about two guys on the Pacers.

I love advanced stats and think both PER and adjusted +/- belong in the discussion of player’s worth (and, please, let’s use some of these numbers when talking about Brandon and Troy in the future). But if all we were going to learn here is that Brandon Rush hasn’t played that great over the past 75 games and that the Pacers get smoked when Troy Murphy is on the floor …. well, I could have told you that a lot more simply just by saying:

“Yes. That has definitely happened.”

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On Troy Murphy Not Getting Traded

by Jared Wade on February 24, 2010 at 8:26 pm · 0 comments

We all have our opinions about what should have happened at the trade deadline. Me and Tim are pretty much of the mind that the reported deal with Charlotte would have been nice if, for nothing else, to get a new point guard prospect and, frankly, just have a little change for change’s sake. Shuffle the deck chairs of this sinking ship, ya know.

Well, fortunately Rob Mahoney’s post about Indy and the deadline doesn’t focus on the GM side of things — but he does use a similar sea-faring metaphor to the one I just tossed at ya.

His is better though and focuses on Troy, the player, the man, stuck on a sinking ship.

Murphy is stuck in his own private hell. He’s more productive than ever, in his prime, and playing for the worst Pacers team in franchise history. There’s no one to blame but everyone, no clear means for improvement, and nothing that even vaguely resembles hope. And while the pitied and respected Antawn Jamison could be sizing a ring or dancing on a parade float in a few months’ time, Troy is hardly so lucky. The best years of his career will be spent idling in Indianapolis, on a  Pacers team doomed to sink before it even reaches mediocrity.

He drops some knowledge on Antawn Jamison and the Wizards as well. Go read the whole thing. It’s always nice to see what other people have to say about Indy on the few occasions people take note, and this piece is definitely worth your time.

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UPDATE: Woo-hoo. I’m perhaps wrong about all the stuff I wrote below, and Charlotte may have some interest in TJ Ford for some reason. I’ll believe it when I see it, but says Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski:

Charlotte and Indiana in serious talks on deal that would send T.J. Ford to Bobcats for package that includes D.J. Augustine, source says.

Stay tuned….

(And that “woo-hoo” will could definitely change to “oh poop” if the Pacers are taking on money in this deal. I like DJ though.)

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As expected, it looks like nothing’s happening today in Indianapolis.

And really, it’s probably for the best.

Grabbing a late first-round pick and a low-level “prospect” (like a JJ Hickson-type young’n) would have been nice, and it could have helped to shed a contract (like Murphy) so as to proactively ease the potential luxury tax burden next year, but there wasn’t ever much chance of any major acquisitions coming in anyway. The players Indy (hopefully) doesn’t care about for the long-term (Murphy, MDJ, Ford, Foster, Watson, Diener, Solomon, Head) are simply not desirable to other GMs. Danny Ferry of Cleveland and perhaps a few others certainly had a little interest in Troy as a back-up plan to add a little more offense for a playoff run. And I’m sure some executives at least respect Troy’s high-level skills (shooting and rebounding) enough to have a conversation about acquiring him, but that $12.5 million salary he’s owed next year is a pretty big financial burden for anyone to accept. So it really shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that Bird wasn’t able to get anything out of Murphy. Not in this economic climate at least.

Simply put, outside of Danny, Hibbert, future draft picks and perhaps — to a much lesser degree — Rush, Tyler and (maybe) AJ Price, this franchise has nothing of value.

Well, that’s not exactly fair.

Conseco Fieldhouse is pretty sweet. Unfortunately, you can’t include buildings in trades under the current Collective Bargaining Agreement. Or at least I don’t think you can…

/runs off to email Larry Coon

Wait?!?!? We still have 41 more minutes. So … THIS IS ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE**!!!!! (Don’t hold your breath)

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John Hollinger casually dropped this depressing sentence in a game recap about the Nuggets. (via @pacersdigest)

Multiple sources said Denver’s longstanding pursuit of Indiana’s Jeff Foster is over because he’s likely to require surgery for his injured back and miss the rest of the season.

More crappy news from a crappy season.

(UPDATE 2: A tweet from Mike Wells suggests that surgery is not imminent: “Foster to fly to LA later this week to get another opinion on his back.”)

(UPDATE 3: The next morning, Mike Wells had this add on his blog: “Foster, who hasn’t played since the middle of December, will likely need surgery at some point, it’s just a matter of when he decides to do it. Don’t expect to see Foster play again this season.”)

This also likely spells more bad news for any Pacer fans hoping that Troy Murphy will get dealt to the Cavs — or anyone else — since the team is now probably going to have an extended stretch without the services or either Foster or Tyler Hansbrough, whose bout with an inner ear infection has left him with a troubling case of dizziness/vertigo that is unlikely to subside any time soon. I don’t think anyone within Indy’s front office sees Murphy as long-term fixture of the franchise, but a front court decimated by injuries will make it a little harder to part with one of the two guys (Murphy and Hibbert) who have produced at the big man spot.

As for Jeff, this sounds like a tough recovery for someone his age (he just turned 33). Jeff signed a contract extension just before the start of the 2008-09 and will make $6.5 million next season, which is the last year on his deal. I’m not a doctor, but, presumably, if he does have surgery, he would be able to make it back in time for the start of next season. Depending on his ability to rebound and other teams’ concern about the injury, he might now be more difficult to put into any trade, but as long as he can be on the court, he will probably retain at least most of his uncanny ability to rebound. And regardless, he will be an expiring contract that should be movable in a Matt Harpring way at the very worst.

UPDATE: Here are the details on the Harpring deal.

By sending injured Matt Harpring’s expiring $6.5 million contract to Oklahoma City along with Maynor, who makes $1.32 million, for the draft rights to Peter Fehse (who likely never will play in the NBA), the Jazz saved $7.82 million in luxury tax for the season.

Had the Jazz not made the deal, the team would have paid a total of about $13 million for the salaries and luxury tax for Harpring and Maynor, which includes getting back about $2.6 million insurance on Harpring, out for the rest of the season.

By making the deal, the Jazz only is responsible for approximately $2.7 already paid to Harpring and Maynor and the amount paid for a 13th player the team must add to fill out the roster, With that player likely to make about $500,000 the rest of the season, which is the pro-rated sum of the $825,497 minimum, and then adding the luxury tax on the player, that’s about $1.3 million. Subtract $4 million from $13 million and the Jazz save about $9 million.

Something like that wouldn’t be ideal, obviously, but if owner Herb Simon is serious about staying well below the luxury tax next season, it would at least be one cost-cutting option.

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